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Elsa, Thank you for these updates. I wanted to ask, is there a saved archive of all the evidence and testimonies gathered at all of the Corona Committee’s court of public opinion “trials” exposing the crimes against humanity during the plandemic genocide? I hope that all of it is safe and preserved somewhere in good hands. It is all good work that will drive accountability in the future. God is good. God bless Reiner and all who offered testimony.

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Good question. I hope someone is archiving, including of the Grand Jury. The web archives are being cut.

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I will just leave this here.

"What Does the Reiner Fuellmich Case Tell us About Scientology and Plandemonium?"

https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/what-does-the-reiner-fuellmich-case/comments#comment-53247358

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This world is a mess. I hope and believe that both Mathew and Rima are good people. But we should all be aware that both of them are, or were, part of the occult system.

Rima's husband (Albert Stubblebine) ran ARE, an occult group originally founded by Edgar Cayce - a sort of neo-theosophist - affiliated with military intelligence and with of which Mathew and his family were members when he was a child. It seems to have at least shared aims with MK Ultra and may well have been part of that program.

Mathew is very open about this. Rima may be too - I haven't noticed her discussing it but I haven't read everything she has written.

However, open or not, we must be careful with any information originating with either of them. It may be entirely true and well motivated. But it is possible that they are just two more intelligence operatives / chaos agents sowing misdirection and landmines amongst the truths.

Whatever happened to the world I used to think I lived in? :-(

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I hope you are not throwing Edger Cayce into that same bucket? The man was a 'savant' of sorts and helped heal a great number of people where normal medicine had failed, and if that healing was the work of the devil, then I'd like to know how to describe modern medicine? He was not affiliated with MK Ultra, but the manner in which you have phrased your information does give that impression???

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I'm afraid I am throwing Edgar Cayce into that bucket.

All these occult figures claim to be 'savants' with special powers and claim 'miracles' which turn out to have been faked on closer inspection. I'm afraid A.R.E. was just another occult society - spouting the same kaballa/theosophy derived beliefs as all the others back to the knights Templar and before that to the ancient mystery cults, seemingly associated with naval intelligence (as were Theosophy, Scientology, Nazism et al.) and featuring child abuse and pedophile activity.

You can read Mathew Crawford's (he grew up as a member of A.R.E.) account here for example (https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/the-inspiration-of-kay-griggs-corruption). Worth noting that the cult was led by a military General at the time Mathew was involved.

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There are many people connected to organisations that are made up of both innocent and guilty, such as the Masons as a fine example, the bottom lot pretty innocent, and the higher one goes the less innocent. I should imagine Reiners connections when he was young may well have been at the periphery of scientology. Years ago after reading Ron Hubbards book, I was interested for a while, went to a meeting, but I didn't like the vibes in the place, and also felt they were too controlling, so I never returned; does that small connection tar me with the same brush?

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No. But Edgar Cayce was the founder of A.R.E. (an organization that has run MK Ultra style programs for military intelligence and engaged in ritual child abuse). That is not the same as a temporary and peripheral connection at all.

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Apr 11Liked by Elsa

I would love to see some kind of proof of what you say, without having to wade through tons of stuff, I've already looked at your site and waded through some of it. I don't have either the time or talent to do my own research on this, it is 'peripheral' to my interests.

I rather want to work to see a better world come into being., so much dirt is in sight already I hardly need more to see the greater picture, but I myself got help, indirectly through Cayces' work.

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Apr 11·edited Apr 11Liked by Elsa

"Whatever happened to the world I used to think I lived in? :-("

It was a fantasy and you woke up from it! Just like me

Developing our intuition so we can rely on it more and more IS KEY!

At this point I'm very suspicious about Reiner! And I was suspicious long time before anyone started posting more details...

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The games people play, the suspicion it throws on so much...but it appears that is the game they wish US to play, so we never trust each other...divided and ruled...so sad!

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They certainly do divide and rule.

But they also infiltrate.

These are two different things.

Infiltration is a highly asymmetric warfare tactic in that it causes us to consume many resources both to identify the infiltrators and also in chasing tails and fighting each other, while they consume only a few resources on the agent.

But finding and combating these infiltrators is NOT being divided and ruled. It is absolutely necessary in order to win the war.

Fortunately there are many off-setting asymmetries working in our favor. We don't have to deceive, blackmail and/or bribe all our own troops for a start :-).

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Hi, sorry i took so long to reply, busy. Yes this topic... infiltration, definitely a problem and always a possibility, and very ugly, but, and it's a big but, unless one has definite proof that someone is an infiltrator, one cannot possibly, judge, therefore, one may judge wrongly. Because people have a 'past', which may not always be savoury, does not mean they may not have changed their ways, I know I have believed erroneous stuff as life proceeded, and I would hate to be judged as not well meaning, because I did something stupid in my younger years. therefore It takes, for me, what I would call definite proof before I'm willing to tar anyone with the brush of being evil or nefarious. Maybe I'm too trusting, but I aim towards justice and have all my life.

Let us not be 'at war', that's what 'they' want of us, let us rather 'do the work'.

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1. Definite proof? There's no such thing as definite in this world.

2. Judge? I agree one may not judge and condemn without strong proof. But judging and condemning are legal terms with practical, real world implications. It is perfectly possible to be cautious and suspicious without condemning. I am suspicious of Reiner because of his past associations and behavior. I agree he may have changed or reformed, although his continuing lies and attempts to cover up his past actions and associations belie this. But I do not declare him guilty. Nor however do I proclaim his innocence from the rooftop (and isn't that judging by your definition too?).

3. Let us not be 'at war', that's what 'they' want of us, let us rather 'do the work'.

Indeed. But what is 'the work'? Should we expend our energies on defending Reiner, a hero of "the cause"? Or should we ignore him and get on with our own little rebellions against the man?

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I'm enjoying your analysis. Fun.

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Agree. I was suspicious of Reiner from the beginning - and recent events have moved me from merely "suspicious" to "deeply suspicious" :-).

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I remember someone telling me, when I asked their assessment of Reiner: "I don't trust anyone." They did have a very good sense about him. But no one got total trust.

By the way, I didn't "wake up" - bit by bit I pulled myself out of the "narrative," and also was pulled out of it by info I came across and was given.

Then, just now we've heard about the dossier on Alex Jones, about whom I've heard all kinds of rumors. Etc. Etc. Etc.

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A.Jones? I knew that he is a zionist and controlled opposition much before he ended up in court.

Matt Ehret is connected to Russian think tanks (secret services) and is a part of Eurasian spiel just as his wife.

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Do you have actual links to info proving this. This was my guess because of

(a) the Moscow university connection

(b) the opaque nature of where their money comes from

(c) the content they produce

I have suspected a Chinese connection too.

All that said - my opinion is very speculative - I'd appreciate hard information if you have it.

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Apr 12·edited Apr 12Liked by Elsa

Back when I was just starting with research, I was focused on Russia and came across Ehret and his wife. After a month of reading and listening I noticed how they glorify Russia and do not mention jews who are 100%responsible for the Bolshevik revolution and Communism. And later I saw a detailed vid about Ehret's connections. But at that time I was not SO serious about my research and did not save details about some "unknown shill from Canada". Sorry, cant help you w a link.

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The person with the best information on Ehret that I found is Paul Gregory. Here is a THOUGHT TALK I had with him:

THOUGHT TALK REPLAY. THE VERDICT IS IN ON MATT EHRET. Prolific. Widely interviewed. NOT TRUSTWORTHY. Watch now!

https://elsaiselsa.substack.com/p/thought-talk-elsa-paul-gregory-on-matt-ehret

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Apr 11·edited Apr 11Author

My assessment is different of Jones, from my information. No time for more.

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Everyone from Infowars as well as their associates are all homosexuals or bi-sexuals!

Just like people from VICE. See the pattern?

Alt media? AHAHAHHAHAH

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It is quite something, this world we find ourselves in. Matt Ehret - I've had some issues with the information he's sent out, so I am wary. Thanks for the info on him. As for Rima, I haven't heard anything about her or from her that makes me wary - but I tend to be generally wary. The more information, the better - so thank you for the information.

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It was actually Mathew Crawford I was referring to there. However I agree re Matt Ehret's information.

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I accurately predicted over two months ago that it was a setup from the beginning. Now, I will make another. They absolutely picked the wrong guy to go after.

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The US/CIAwas involved since Reiner departed form the US for Germany.

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I am sure, have no evidence.

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I believe many people have the same assessment.

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Yes they do!!!

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Absolutely!

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Apr 10Liked by Elsa

It seems clear that youthful predators wsre recruited by elite actors, who prevailed upon one to create a fiction of threat by the elder who was far away pursuing the objectives of the original organizing documents. Reiner was to interview a forensic arborist. The arborist, Brame, is now more famous than he otherwise would have been. Reiner's predators dreamed up a cockamamie story with which to snatch a deed. And now it is evident this is a protocol the elites plan to use in a pattern of grabbing so working people can own nothing. The judge is becoming an accessory if the predators are draining the accounts. Simply amazing Euro-non-justice.

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We all have to stand strong against these megalomaniacs. They've lost their minds, probably on some funny drug or the other supplied by their pharma friends!

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It's a much more complicated sinister story. I suggest you get more information. For starters, watch Reiner's interviews with David Icke and Cliff HIgh.

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Where can I find these interviews? ICIC?

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"There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. " Gandhi

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John 11:47 Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council and said, “What shall we do? For this man doeth many miracles. 48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe in him, and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.” 49 And one of them named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, “Ye know nothing at all, 50 nor consider that it is expedient for us that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.” 51 And he spoke this not of himself, but, being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation; 52 and not for that nation only, but that also He should gather together in one the children of God who were scattered abroad. 53 So from that day forth, they took counsel together to put Him to death.

I am very curious as to what is required to bring an end to this madness surrounding the guilt or innocence of Reiner. Does the final word / decision only come from one person .. the main judge listening?? or 2 or 3 judges? I am sure the prosecution, intelligence community, or a good number of others can find someone to 'Epstein' Reiner in exchange for a lighter sentence.

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I don't believe that is the route that will be taken. Other people have been released in Germany. Just last week, there was a big legal breakthrough

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I certainly hope Reiner will be released and everything restored that he and those who donated lost. This trial is extremely interesting .. and it seems to me that a good legal system (judges) should be thinking about this and doing some important things to loosen the grip they have on Reiner now .. even outside of Courtroom procedure. Is there an English version of events reporting about the others who were released because of the legal breakthrough?

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I just heard of the reference in Riner's update. If you relisten you will hear the name and can do a search. I have no further information.

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Please stop talking about me: we this and we that. You are welcome to talk about yourself all you like, as much as you like - you're not welcome to talk about me.

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Please read what you read. When you use the word "we" you are including me. Please do not do that. Do not include me in your statements unless you have evidence. In English, when you are talking about some people, use "some people," when you are talking about many people, use "many people." "We" refers to everyone. Do not express your so-called opinion about me unless you have evidence. I hope you can understand that.

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We includes me. It's like saying "we are racist." I would likewise say stop talking about me, you are welcome to talk about yourself.

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Great that you will write your opinion where it's welcomed.

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