2 DAYS AGO. A jaw-dropping interview on what happened with the USS Liberty. YESTERDAY. Daisy Moses Chief Crackpot’s response - more facts. TODAY. My logical conclusion.
I highly recommend the following three sources of information regarding Israel's assault on the USS Liberty, from the viewpoint of Lieutenant James Ennes. Please note that at time=1:37, Ennes states, "We were an intelligence ship; and, we were sent out there to collect radio signals...ah...actually...primarily on the Soviets that were in the area. And, I was Officer of the Deck on the ship that morning (of the attack by Israel)..."
By "collecting radio signals", Ennes means that the ship contained military personnel trained in signals intelligence gathering, such as Morse code, and various voice communications. The latter would have likely have included Russian, French, Hebrew and all of the Arabic dialects of the region, including those spoken in Egypt. All of this data would have been sent first to the National Security Agency (NSA), before being forwarded to other relevant parties. How do I know this? Because this was my job in the USAFSS back around the time of the USS Liberty incident.
1) Israel's Assault on the USS Liberty with James Ennes
I have posted your comment in full just now. As I did not know how you felt about having your name sent out to thousands, I just gave a link to this comment, and identified you as "a reader." Please let me know if, another time, you want your name given.
Thanks for asking, Elsa. Since it's been almost 50 years, it doesn't much matter to me one way or the other if my name is given. I do try to be careful in how much I say, however, since the signals intelligence area is highly classified.
Thank you so much, Edmund, for this crucial information!! It blows Candace's understanding to shreds - that the US and Israel colluded to have the Israelis sink the vessel and blame it on Egypt to increase US support for Israel. THIS MAKES MUCH MORE SENSE. This was, as you quote: "an intelligence ship; and, we were sent out there to collect radio signals...ah...actually...primarily on the Soviets that were in the area. And, I was Officer of the Deck on the ship that morning (of the attack by Israel)..." THANK YOU AGAIN!!!
Elsa, I have watched the Candace video. I trust her integrity and I trust Mr. Thourney's recollection of the event.
I have also read Celia Farber's response to it, which is basically a reiteration of Daisey Moses Chief Crackpot's take on it.
Like you, I believe it changed nothing regarding Mr. Tourney's recollection of events. It did, however, seem to undermine Candace's integrity, which troubles me.
DMCC's comments, reiterated by Ms. Farber, add Egypt into the narrative. And I don't recall any mention of Egypt's involvement in the incident. Mr. Tourney's account clearly states that it was Israeli forces that attacked the Liberty.
Even if there were spies on the ship, that does not negate Mr. Tourney's description of the encounter; he clearly acknowledges it.
So my only question is: how and why Egypt becomes suddenly involved?
I am not questioning Candace's integrity, just the correctness of what she believes. If you disagree with me, that does not mean one of us lacks integrity.
Then, it does matter that there were spies - so identified by Phil Tourney - on the ship. Were they intercepting messages between Israelis, and was that why the Israelis attacked? As for Egypt, Daisy Moses believes that likely the messages were sent to the UK, which would send them to Egypt. But I have no idea about that.
I know Daisy Moses has integrity. I have read many of her thoughtful insightful comments, and also subscribe to her Substack. Loads of research. Thinking, not raging.
DMCC would be much more credible (to me, anyway) if s/he did not try to come off as some hillbilly hick who likely didn't make it much past the sixth grade. But, I am interested in how s/he has/had intelligence sources in the Egyptian military, which apparently is the source of her learning that the British sent intercepts from the USS Liberty to Egypt.
Very grateful fer yer sharin' my thoughts an' research Elsa--an' fer yer own endless pursuit of what really IS the truth... hard ta do now'a'daze! Now as fer the British angle--wanted ta add a bit more (also shared in a comment on the first post re this new "narrative")
I've read from more 'n one source that the US was sharin' their info with Britain. Is it true? Well this entire thing is a cover up so we cannot "prove this"--it's an educated guess but the 5 eyes mutually were actin' WITH each other on such issues an' Britain had skin in this game. But let's say Britain was NOT privy to the US intelligence gathered--the US itself--without sharin' or alertin' ANYONE would have to likely "ACT" on what they alone gathered which included two (that I know--mebbe more?) bits of info that would've compromised Israel:
1. takin' out planes BEFORE they were used for attack (even though yes, they would have indeed been used for attack, Egypt already announced this)
2. Golan Hts.--territory that was indeed part of "Greater Israel"* but not part of the original 1948 borders...
So we don't need the UK to have Israel wanna protect their plans--an' again, JUST this year we had a CIA staff person reveal (an' nearly stymie) Israel's plans for the offensive re. Iran...
Again, I share what I read--folks kin insult me, dismiss it, all fine--but I do so hopin' some will say hey gorsh wait a minute... mebbe we ain't hearin' the full story... that's ALL I hope ta do (free service from a crackpot!)
The UN always had a Rockefeller agenda. The opposite of all the platitudes in it's charter is what is exposed as its reality. The UN never took Israel to task for it's nuclear weapons program but instead allowed a racist, corrupt from inception, state to be founded and given membership . Never took it to task for the huge levels of violence and regional conquest. On other fronts the UN watched and allowed the WHO to strip humans of rights in a plandemic for global population control under it's undemocratic Stockholm, Cairo and a host of other agreements. It has in short become something to despise. It stands for no good imo. The best use of it's offices would be to tear it down and make it's location an urban park. The new administration needs to Boycott it, Defund it, and Sanction it.
This trail you are on, Elsa, is convoluted and spun by an intelligence agency deeply infiltrating every nation and news agency and government in the world. Yes, they do own the collective mainstream press. We have realized the power of it during the past 4 years. The truths are obliterated by decades of gaslighting, false flag events and psychologic warfare.
So I recommend this piece of investigative reporting regarding the origins of Hamas:
>As Haaretz openly admitted in the wake of October 7, Netanyahu has even confessed to using this strategy in cabinet meetings:
“Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas,” he told a meeting of his Likud party’s Knesset members in March 2019. “This is part of our strategy—to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.” <
There is cross-dressing at play, which weighs heavily into the official October 7 narrative, leading to the realization of the long coveted 1917 Balfour Declaration as confirmed by IDF soldiers themselves and as being implemented as we speak. Going to leave it there.
I have looked into a lot of the gaslighting. I remember my first watching something by Corbett. I was, as the saying goes, blown away. I've heard a lot about the history of Hamas.
I did not watch this video after reading "Israel released videos from Gaza’s security cameras." Of course Israel falsified video footage to incriminate Hamas. Journalists: Aljazeera was banned from reporting in Gaza and all of Palestine. Journalists working on other news networks have been killed in disproportionate numbers. Elsa, please avail yourself of Electric Intifada. There's a round table discussion every week and new stories by Palestinians in Gaza every day. Personally I feel pursuing the TRUTH is exhausting and frustrating. Finding yourself, the truth of who you are, is definitely obtainable. Turn toward that.
I suggest you start by watching some of these videos. You start instead with the assumption that Israel has falsified the footage. Of course they have, you say, without even watching one frame. There are hundreds of hours of footage.
Julie makes statement about the Media like Aljazeera being banned, but does not give all the facts that Aljazeera is passing on information through Qatar to Hamas.
Al-Jazeera is owned by Qatar. Qatar provides Hamas with both money and sanctuary for its leaders, who live luxurious lives in Doha.
So, one cannot blame Israel for banning Aljazeera.
I highly recommend the following three sources of information regarding Israel's assault on the USS Liberty, from the viewpoint of Lieutenant James Ennes. Please note that at time=1:37, Ennes states, "We were an intelligence ship; and, we were sent out there to collect radio signals...ah...actually...primarily on the Soviets that were in the area. And, I was Officer of the Deck on the ship that morning (of the attack by Israel)..."
By "collecting radio signals", Ennes means that the ship contained military personnel trained in signals intelligence gathering, such as Morse code, and various voice communications. The latter would have likely have included Russian, French, Hebrew and all of the Arabic dialects of the region, including those spoken in Egypt. All of this data would have been sent first to the National Security Agency (NSA), before being forwarded to other relevant parties. How do I know this? Because this was my job in the USAFSS back around the time of the USS Liberty incident.
1) Israel's Assault on the USS Liberty with James Ennes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXCnXH9_FYQ
2) The following article by Jeffrey St. Clair:
Israel’s Attack on the USS Liberty: A Half Century Later, Still No Justice
https://strategic-culture.su/news/2018/06/10/israel-attack-uss-liberty-half-century-later-still-no-justice/
3) James Ennes Jr.'s book "Assault on the Liberty"
https://www.amazon.com/Assault-Liberty-James-Ennes-Jr/dp/0804101086
Ennes was a Navy Lieutenant onboard the USS Liberty during Israel's attack
I have posted your comment in full just now. As I did not know how you felt about having your name sent out to thousands, I just gave a link to this comment, and identified you as "a reader." Please let me know if, another time, you want your name given.
Thanks for asking, Elsa. Since it's been almost 50 years, it doesn't much matter to me one way or the other if my name is given. I do try to be careful in how much I say, however, since the signals intelligence area is highly classified.
Thank you so much, Edmund, for this crucial information!! It blows Candace's understanding to shreds - that the US and Israel colluded to have the Israelis sink the vessel and blame it on Egypt to increase US support for Israel. THIS MAKES MUCH MORE SENSE. This was, as you quote: "an intelligence ship; and, we were sent out there to collect radio signals...ah...actually...primarily on the Soviets that were in the area. And, I was Officer of the Deck on the ship that morning (of the attack by Israel)..." THANK YOU AGAIN!!!
Elsa, I have watched the Candace video. I trust her integrity and I trust Mr. Thourney's recollection of the event.
I have also read Celia Farber's response to it, which is basically a reiteration of Daisey Moses Chief Crackpot's take on it.
Like you, I believe it changed nothing regarding Mr. Tourney's recollection of events. It did, however, seem to undermine Candace's integrity, which troubles me.
DMCC's comments, reiterated by Ms. Farber, add Egypt into the narrative. And I don't recall any mention of Egypt's involvement in the incident. Mr. Tourney's account clearly states that it was Israeli forces that attacked the Liberty.
Even if there were spies on the ship, that does not negate Mr. Tourney's description of the encounter; he clearly acknowledges it.
So my only question is: how and why Egypt becomes suddenly involved?
Am I missing something?
I am not questioning Candace's integrity, just the correctness of what she believes. If you disagree with me, that does not mean one of us lacks integrity.
Then, it does matter that there were spies - so identified by Phil Tourney - on the ship. Were they intercepting messages between Israelis, and was that why the Israelis attacked? As for Egypt, Daisy Moses believes that likely the messages were sent to the UK, which would send them to Egypt. But I have no idea about that.
I wasn't questioning either Candace's or your integrity.
I was questioning DMCC's.
I know Daisy Moses has integrity. I have read many of her thoughtful insightful comments, and also subscribe to her Substack. Loads of research. Thinking, not raging.
DMCC would be much more credible (to me, anyway) if s/he did not try to come off as some hillbilly hick who likely didn't make it much past the sixth grade. But, I am interested in how s/he has/had intelligence sources in the Egyptian military, which apparently is the source of her learning that the British sent intercepts from the USS Liberty to Egypt.
Somehow she chose to use the dialect as a camouflage. Lots of great content, in my experience. What a reader!!
Very grateful fer yer sharin' my thoughts an' research Elsa--an' fer yer own endless pursuit of what really IS the truth... hard ta do now'a'daze! Now as fer the British angle--wanted ta add a bit more (also shared in a comment on the first post re this new "narrative")
I've read from more 'n one source that the US was sharin' their info with Britain. Is it true? Well this entire thing is a cover up so we cannot "prove this"--it's an educated guess but the 5 eyes mutually were actin' WITH each other on such issues an' Britain had skin in this game. But let's say Britain was NOT privy to the US intelligence gathered--the US itself--without sharin' or alertin' ANYONE would have to likely "ACT" on what they alone gathered which included two (that I know--mebbe more?) bits of info that would've compromised Israel:
1. takin' out planes BEFORE they were used for attack (even though yes, they would have indeed been used for attack, Egypt already announced this)
2. Golan Hts.--territory that was indeed part of "Greater Israel"* but not part of the original 1948 borders...
So we don't need the UK to have Israel wanna protect their plans--an' again, JUST this year we had a CIA staff person reveal (an' nearly stymie) Israel's plans for the offensive re. Iran...
Again, I share what I read--folks kin insult me, dismiss it, all fine--but I do so hopin' some will say hey gorsh wait a minute... mebbe we ain't hearin' the full story... that's ALL I hope ta do (free service from a crackpot!)
The UN always had a Rockefeller agenda. The opposite of all the platitudes in it's charter is what is exposed as its reality. The UN never took Israel to task for it's nuclear weapons program but instead allowed a racist, corrupt from inception, state to be founded and given membership . Never took it to task for the huge levels of violence and regional conquest. On other fronts the UN watched and allowed the WHO to strip humans of rights in a plandemic for global population control under it's undemocratic Stockholm, Cairo and a host of other agreements. It has in short become something to despise. It stands for no good imo. The best use of it's offices would be to tear it down and make it's location an urban park. The new administration needs to Boycott it, Defund it, and Sanction it.
This trail you are on, Elsa, is convoluted and spun by an intelligence agency deeply infiltrating every nation and news agency and government in the world. Yes, they do own the collective mainstream press. We have realized the power of it during the past 4 years. The truths are obliterated by decades of gaslighting, false flag events and psychologic warfare.
So I recommend this piece of investigative reporting regarding the origins of Hamas:
https://corbettreport.substack.com/p/the-secret-history-of-hamas
>As Haaretz openly admitted in the wake of October 7, Netanyahu has even confessed to using this strategy in cabinet meetings:
“Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas,” he told a meeting of his Likud party’s Knesset members in March 2019. “This is part of our strategy—to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.” <
There is cross-dressing at play, which weighs heavily into the official October 7 narrative, leading to the realization of the long coveted 1917 Balfour Declaration as confirmed by IDF soldiers themselves and as being implemented as we speak. Going to leave it there.
I have looked into a lot of the gaslighting. I remember my first watching something by Corbett. I was, as the saying goes, blown away. I've heard a lot about the history of Hamas.
I did not watch this video after reading "Israel released videos from Gaza’s security cameras." Of course Israel falsified video footage to incriminate Hamas. Journalists: Aljazeera was banned from reporting in Gaza and all of Palestine. Journalists working on other news networks have been killed in disproportionate numbers. Elsa, please avail yourself of Electric Intifada. There's a round table discussion every week and new stories by Palestinians in Gaza every day. Personally I feel pursuing the TRUTH is exhausting and frustrating. Finding yourself, the truth of who you are, is definitely obtainable. Turn toward that.
I suggest you start by watching some of these videos. You start instead with the assumption that Israel has falsified the footage. Of course they have, you say, without even watching one frame. There are hundreds of hours of footage.
These are the security cameras that ran nonstop.
I've seen some (very few).
Good for you Elsa.
Julie makes statement about the Media like Aljazeera being banned, but does not give all the facts that Aljazeera is passing on information through Qatar to Hamas.
Al-Jazeera is owned by Qatar. Qatar provides Hamas with both money and sanctuary for its leaders, who live luxurious lives in Doha.
So, one cannot blame Israel for banning Aljazeera.
You are spot on about her assumptions.