Reiner. The amazing Corona Committee. The even more amazing Grand Jury. The brilliant continuation of his wide-ranging interviewing with ICIC. But we don't see eye-to-eye on everything.
You say you don't censor Elsa. Did you censor this?
You acknowledged yourself, you knew nothing about the USS Liberty until Candace Owens came along very recently. According to you, Elsa, Candace made such an attention-gaining presentation that she got 4,000,000 viewers. Maybe that "fact" alone might convey to you that you are not remotely in her league.
In my view I'm not stating as a "fact," Elsa, that you have no idea of how ridiculous you look when you relate your version of the USS Liberty story. I'm stating it as my opinion. I'd argue sources and interpretations and all with you if you showed even a glimpse of having a base level of understanding. But you don't. So to me it would be a waste of time trying to reason on the basis of primary and secondary literature and such. Your mind is already made up. All I see so far from you are sound bites you've picked up from Prager U and maybe other evangelists of Israel First Zionism.
You might as well put Reiner in the same category as Pam Barker, Scott McCluskey and I. The four of us I reckon basically agree that what we have been seeing in Gaza is indeed a horrific genocide. Oct. 7 (10/7) has not yet been properly investigated by neutral parties but there is plenty of evidence that the way it has been reported in Israel does not conform very closely to what really happened. Check out Grayzone, Electronic Intifada and Mondoweiss for some of the "facts" that lead me to the conclusions I'm stating. I've written lots on the subject myself.
Netanyahu doesn't want to release the hostages. Some of them know too much. Netanyahu doesn't want a proper investigation to take place concerning 10/7 because he obviously has so much to hide. You could check out my "fact" sets in my own well-documented essays which are not behind a pay wall and easily available just a click away on Substack.
I'm not going to try to bring forward all the evidence to put before you because I do not take you seriously as a public intellectual. Remember, a few days ago you had never even heard of the USS Liberty matter. Why do you think that is? Most people who deal with Israel-Palestine interactions are well aware of the USS Liberty episode which symbolizes the extremes in the US government of the Israel-can-do-no-wrong thesis. Israel soldiers can outright murder US soldiers and the aggression will be covered up by the US leadership. No one is held accountable for the lives lost and the damage done. The US survivors were long instructed by their own government to not say anything about the episode. All kinds of laws and policies were violated by the US government in order to protect Israel.
When have the Armed Forces of Israel and the USA ever been held accountable before 10/7 for the international crimes-- the Nakba-- against Palestinians in the Middle East? Now the ICJ and the ICC have intervened in ways that some see as too abstract and theoretical. The fact remains that neither the UN nor the global community have been able to impose any significant obstacles to stop the mass murders that still continue in the open air prison of Gaza day after day, month after month, and now year after year with no real end in sight.
As I perceive it Elsa, you see the USS Liberty episode as one where the Israel military were justified in committing an act of war on a US Navy ship because the US government was spying on Israel. You put this thesis forward with the conviction you have become an instant expert ready to do intellectual battle with Candace Owens. I imagine Candace is fairly new to the subject too, but she understands the importance of doing homework and not going off half cocked. Moreover she was able to interview a US officer who had lived through the Israeli assault who is, of course, a compelling witness about what really happened. Can you bring forward another eye-witness, Elsa, to back up your version of events?
Reiner Fuellmich, and Pam Barker and Scott Mcclusky are not alone. In fact globally we who see events in Gaza as a genocidal monstrosity, are by far in the majority. On the other hand those who see it as you and your Israel-can-do-no-wrong associates do, control more institutional power.
People like Candace Owens, however, are equalizing the influence of the two camps. A lot of us admire Candace's gumption and the good evidence-based work she is doing quite consistently. I'm quite sure, Elsa, you have no concept of what you can expect when you go up against the power of the Israel Lobby of which you are making yourself a really conspicuous member.
I notice your discussion group includes Dr. Rima Laibow who wants to abolish the entire UN, not just the WHO. I'm wondering if this preoccupation with doing away with the UN at this stage has anything to do with the fact the International Court of Justice and now the International Criminal Court, have both charged the government and leadership of Israel with international crimes.
Both courts have procedures under way looking into Israel's violations of the Genocide Convention and of other international criminal and humanitarian laws. Quote whoever you want, but the fact remains the Genocide Case has been taken on by the UN judiciary. The judges have made their opening moves and the credibly-accused parties have already been charged. But of those charged, none have so far been jailed whereas it is Reiner Fuellmich who is being incarcerated, isolated and tortured. Don't you see the irony?
Did you read the South African government case put before the ICJ arguing that Israel has violated the Genocide Convention? My guess is that you have not read this essential document. That's the kind of commitment you have to show if you want to be taken seriously as a public intellectual making pronouncements on the array of subjects you want to raise.
Because you have done so little homework on the issues you want to pronounce upon, you are indeed made to look more ridiculous than you realize. Sure you have a right to believe whatever you want but others have an equal right to evaluate the quality of your interpretations and conclusions. And some of those evaluating your theories are in a better position to judge. Have you ever heard of peer review?
Call me a "troll" if you want but you might consider seeing me as a messenger trying to give you a reality check at a time when you really need it IMHO. Trying to shoot the messenger is a well known tactic for those trying to avoid the unpleasantness of reckoning with a difficult message. AJ Hall
fwiw Elsa, readin' the comments (sigh, some more uglies) it seems that they don't git that yer sayin' "help stop this woman from spreadin' this untruth" by informin' her of these other facts. Ye don't mean to silence her or take her off the airwaves but 'ruther... "please let her see my info, let her see this other angle"... That's how I heard yer call...crystal clear. But askin' fer help reachin' someone with new info is now considered "censorship" or anti-1st-amendment (here) an' equated with silencin' that person vs sharin' info with 'em.... (Tho' as I wrote too--I don't think either Candace or Tucker would be receptive...) Anywhoo, many of us have tried to git certain facts to certain folks with a big audience--so far I have not succeeded, but I write my share've letters too! (I totally git yer call-out...some I guess don't?)
shucks Elsa, I so appreciate yer kind comment 'bout the info I "give"--I'm so sorry yer gettin' such ugly stuff from these indi'vichuals who are, indeed, not sharin' facts but are just attackin' ad-hominem without supportin' anything they say but just are repeatin' the Owens "script"--AND I so appreciate yer sharin' yer thoughts w/Reiner. I too liked Elena's letter AND also would differ with any "in yer DNA" comment which was (I think) not so much REALLY intended to be taken as "your DNA is tainted with anti-joo bias" as much as I "think" (cannot speak fer the lady) that it meant that growin' up perhaps surrounded by certain folks with certain biases makes that "culture" reflect those biases. (maybe?)
I personally couldn't postulate why an open-minded thinker forms certain close-minded views... But am I wrong that Viviane Fischer is jooish, no? Is it possible that if this one jooish laydee is the cause of all this strife there's a scenty-mint (however misplaced) against the "people" with whom she's associated? (from all I gather she was a mentally fragile patsy an' was not the mastermind behind the campaign ta ruin him--but sounds like she was not equipped fer the job either--corona committee-wise--she asked few questions...that I'd always seen...)
But too... in a way "covidCon19" has shown the world that we humans can all be "Good Germans"--how many "covidian warriors" (I say this ironically) made SURE their non-injected former friends were banned from healthcare, banned from classes an' worship & other spaces?
I'd say in the US at least only 'bout 15-20% of us said NO & heck no to the tyranny, no ta the jabs, no ta the "health passes," no to masks. That's a small percentage. Sure, the shunnin' of the unjabbed wasn't quite the same as lettin' yer neighbors be murdered, but ACT-chew-ally, it started EXACTLY the same way--the unjabbed were superspreaders, it's really no diff. from the joos said to be "unclean & disease-carryin'" --an' MOST Amercians either went along with it all either with "no particular enthusiasm" or they just rolled up their sleeves an' really "got into it," which I think happened in WWII as well... an' not just the Germans, I think of soldiers bein' xtra brutal because... "they could."
I had friends that were sleeve rollers callin' me, beggin' me & my fam to just "take the shots" an' sayin' that we were awful, puttin' everyone at risk! Our own fam called us "bums" (choosin' unemployment to getting unsafe jabs but yup, meant no income so bums).
HOW is that not like a lesson that showed the world how EASY it was fer humans to comply, to shun their former friends, fam, neighbors--- Now, sure, I spent some time livin' in Berlin so I know that yes, Germans tend ta be very good at linin' up, follerin' rules, bein' polite--as a cultural thing--but that's not DNA. Also, it ain't at all the same as hate--hatin' any people fer that matter. And I do not think Germans are in any way different an' that might scare folks.... the "oh it was them, we wouldn't be like THAT." Until they were. Yup, Americans--a bit messier an' less good at follerin' rules perhaps--still did horribly--horribly!--on the humanitarian plane with this covid-con. IMHO Germans were made to be scared (scared of joos!) just like American were made to "fear the unvaxxed." FEW resisted here-- an' to my shock 'n horror--even fewer New Yawkers! We cheeky folks known ta "talk back." But nope, silence...compliance...even misdirected anger. I was so ashamed of my fellow NewYawkers...
So, a small percentage of "resisters" all over...even small percentage of White Roses (some who died bravely tryin' ta actively fight the system an' paid dearly fer speakin' out...)
So all this ta say that the "banality of evil" spares no nation... anyone can participate. Other nations have done this too... It's not DNA. But it is a tendency we should all learn to resist... kids are not taught to resist, they are taught to comply, to accept, to be "good"--which means...in some cases...evil. Just sayin'....
I do find it interestin' 'bout human nature that so many that were willin' ta question covid-con ask no questions about the "freedom fighters" in the middle east... so it goes...
About Viviane Fischer, I have never heard any suggestion that she is Jewish. There was another Fischer among Riener's accusers - Antonia Fischer. I did not hear any suggestion that she was Jewish either. However, I do not know the religious background of these people.
so.... real name Rike Feurstein, profession hat designer (apparently had some success with a NYC store fer a time, got written up by NYT fashion in the earlier 2000's)--may not be jooish at'all but there are those sayin' she was (for various reasons, not all nice tho' methinks her faith or lack thereof has little ta do with this endeavor...)
fwiw the name could go either way... here in the US we gotta famous tire company Firestone (christians, given name feuerstein but anglicized ta firestone)...
So she may not be (nor Antonia) but given I heard some mean-spirited whispers 'bout dat I thought...mebbe? Again, no way of knowin' but sometimes that can tip a person wronged into a negative association...
ps if she was really a milliner by trade...just curious what connection w/ "covidCON investy-gayshuns...? I mean this stuff ain't my profession either but I wouldn't likely be invited on any kinda committee.... it's weird... so perhaps she was "placed?" again... have zero info on this...but wonderin' as it's ODD ta say the least!
VF's prescence was an anomaly . Her twists away from the point were habitual ,and jarring . (Especially in that First David Martin interview with RF ,and several others . )
Certainly not a patsy - but had RF -concerning VF ANY warning him AT the time,
Reiner was warned by his wife, Inka, that VF's presence was problematic. However, VF was also in (maybe even a co-leader in) the small political party Reiner was involved in. As far as I know, 2 people also would not become part of the Corona Committee due to VF's presence in it.
Beginning to look similar to London Met Police methods of infiltration (late 1990s early 00s ) ,if VF more plant than patsy .
She gets off too easily in every scenario .
Yet ,without her false testimony , some grave doubt remains -as to whether RF would have been incarcerated from Mexico.
The sooner VF is under a real searchlight - the sooner her false testimony becomes perjurous -with a countercharge of corrupting the course of justice ,false incarcertation,etc .
This message has been an excellent tutorial on how we should all be conducting our conversations--civily and respectfully with a view to learning, not winning. Thank you Elsa.
It's surely the opposite of polarisation in the journey towards finding out how many facts have been supressed re Hamas refusing Gazan shelter in 3-500kms of tunnels,surely itself an anti humanitarian act?
I also have an issue with the apparent sniper fire - multiple very accurate killing shots on children and aid workers . Not everything is attributable to hamas themselves ,and 'mistakes'.
There is also the issue of how many Gazan deaths equalls 1200 massacred Israelis?
Ronan Bergmann's 'Rise and Kill First' is a Cambridge phD's view on creating the enemy they most feared ,in its 720 pages . It is a horrifically raw record of ,from israeli inside interviews , something quite beyond self induced 'false flag' events over decades . It also skirts Bibi Netanyahu's orbit from caution to the complete opposite .
58 standing Bibi congress ovations surpasses even Stalin- for foreign exploitation and insincerity.
Karen from Trinidad here. This was an excellent post. The response from Elena Feder could have been mine. There are so many people over the past 5 years I have researched and admired for their fight for truth and against the globalist cabal who have orchestrated all the evil. People like Reiner, David Icke, James Corbett, just to name a few. Thus, I was shocked and appalled to discover when Oct 7th happened that they were such Jew and Israel haters. Especially Reiner. It is difficult to fathom how such intelligent persons could be so hard-core against the Jews. It blows my mind.
Reiner is a brave man, even when he is being unlawfully imprisoned he is not afraid to speak the truth asserting what is taking place in Gaza is genocide. No, that is not because of what he is reading but because that is what is taking place as every human rights organization in the world, two hundred and fifty five of them, are saying the same thing including recently Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International and the most prominent Israeli human rights organization, B'T selem.
Reiner is a well seasoned lawyer familiar with discerning the facts unlike you Elsa, evidently, if you still think that the horrors being perpetrated on Palestinians is self defense.
Elsa, when your difference of opinion with Reiner looms large, it is liable to cloud the issue of the injustice he suffers.
If it bothers you that Reiner's views differ from yours, then either express your different opinion completely separately from your reporting of Reiner's legal persecution and without reference to him, or if you can't do that, end your affiliation with him.
I saw an interview with the former EU researcher parliment (RO) phD'r who claimed a certain people group had members of 180 years old . To my horror RF acquiesced in silence ,nodding equably - whereas I would have instantly asked for death certificates ,birth certificates and assumed forgery .
At least for the audience's sake - such vaunted credabliity seems bought - especially as EU could'nt drop said researcher fast enough .
It is lucky you can tell us these things or we might be tempted to look at how Reiner's prosecution has been conducted, how his assets have been stolen, how he has been tortured, and even seek his release.
You and Reiner are both entitled to your opinions. But He is in prison, and can't express his, publicly and you can. So I have an issue with that. I suggest you express your opinions on Gaza without attaching Reiner to them. Maybe after you succeed in getting him out of prison you can have that discussion. As an American I have my own opinion on the matter, and how it affects my country, and it's standing in the world. It's probably quite different than either of yours.
But again I would say no matter how strongly you feel about another issue (and I respect you for that) attaching it to Reiners case doesn't really advance either cause very much. Either a position on an issue can stand on it's own, or it can't
Reiner's updates are available on other platforms - you can find this one on Roger Bittel's telegram channel, plus they are all usually on ICIC, plus often Streampunk, plus I've posted them on Bitchute and Rumble. If I publish something on my Substack, it matters to me that it does not go against what I have been able to learn. By the way, Reiner, even in prison, has a major platform - especially a number of Telegram channels carry, for instance, his updates.
( no need to not be friends over this. But USA has done false flags over and over. CIA is a criminal organisation. CIA did Covid also. They have no boundaries what they do so why not sine a american ship )
I too sent Elsa the same reference to Whitney Webb's excellent 2 volume set One Nation Under Blackmail. I sincerely hope she reads the books as it will open her eyes to the skullduggery long in play by the Israeli regimes.
That there have been many false flag operations does not mean the USS Liberty was one. There is an excellent recent comment from Daisy Moses detailing the confusing situation. I believe it's on Journey 8.
No reason not to be friends over this in any case. It's one of the problems in our time psychological manipulation to prevent people speaking their minds.
The survivor made multiple claims in the interview.
Agreed: "No reason not to be friends over this in any case. It's one of the problems in our time psychological manipulation to prevent people speaking their minds."
Whatever you think, I just hope you keep on reporting on the case of Reiner Fuellmich. Especially in the early months of his imprisonment you were the only source to consistently report on his well-being. Thanks for that, and keep doing it, since you're a valuable source of information.
As a personal friend and colleague I can only say that Pam Barker is not a troll. However, I do not know mr. Hall, and I'm too ignorant about worldly affairs to draw harsh conclusions about rights and wrongs.
Nor is Prof. Anthony J. Hall or myself a troll...we are 'subscribers' looking to see updates on Reiner etc. But shoot the messenger seems to be a theme with Elsa on subjects such as the USS Liberty, etc she is not knowledgable on.
Thank you for this comment. This is the first time I really noticed Pam Barker - her quick backing of someone saying I had made myself ridiculous. And then, I fully intend to keep posting about Reiner. As I started by saying: I respect, like, admire Reiner. That has not changed. I can also have differences with Pam without calling her ridiculous. I was a bit taken aback at her backing someone who made a comment lilke Hall's.
Elsa you did call your subscribers, Pam Barker, Prof. Anthony Hall and myself 'trolls', for simply trying to educate you on the facts of the USS Liberty incident as well as the ongoing Gaza debacle. Elsa, you also wanted Elon Musk to censor Candace Owens simply because she has a different point of view than you do, based on much indepth research on her part. Now you wish to 'educate' Reiner on the Gaza matter....ridiculous.
We sent you links to many things such as Whitney Webb's 2 volume set 'One Nation Under Blackmail'...etc to 'educate' you. You even acknowledged Webb etc. It seems obvious to myself and Tony Hall whom I just spoke with at length as well as your writings you have some desperate need to get in touch with Reiner over the Gaza issue. Why ??
I am not trying to censor - silence - Candace Owens. I am not for censorship. Anyway, more than 4 million views!!! Where did you get the idea I wanted to censor. Not from anything I wrote. I just would like more visibility for my different viewpoint.
Further, I did not call any of you trolls. I thought it was possible that you were trolls - not because of the difference of outlook, but because of the denigrating tone.
Let us refresh your mind Elsa, re Candace Owens. Why would you attempt to reach out to Tucker Carlson and Elon Musk to "Will this do anything? Who knows. I know that you hit none of the balls you don't swing at. So now: @elonmusk @tuckercarlson PLEASE HELP STOP CANDACE OWENS' UNTRUTHS. HELP WITH THE TRUTH." If that is not an attempt to censor someone, then what is?? What are Candace Owens 'UNTRUTHS" you need Musk/Carlson's help with in stopping?? Is Owens not allowed to express her knowledge and opinions, to 4 million viewers?
Kinda sounds like you are jealous of Owen's audience reach.
Even bringing up the subject its "possible we are trolls", is tantamount to the same thing as calling us trolls. "the denigrating tone"....so because Pam Barker, Anthony Hall and myself factually challenge your limited knowledge on Gaza/ USS Liberty debacles, we have a denigrating tone ?? Get real. We did not denigrate you, we challenged your factual knowledge of these subjects....
One can stop someone speaking. NOT MY INTENTION. One can also get word out about something different. It would be ridiculous to try to stop Owens from speaking. But one can put out a different version of what likely happened - not only mine, by the way. Then people can listen to both. As I wrote: HELP WITH THE TRUTH. Not by squashing anything. Musk isn't known for stopping speech, neither is Carlson.
Then, I remember Hall starting with something like my having made myself ridiculous. Wow. According to you, that is not denigrating. There was no challenge on any factual knowledge.
And with that, I have no more energy for your stuff.
"PLEASE HELP STOP CANDACE OWENS' UNTRUTHS." Elsa sure sounds like you wish to silence Owens, because her version of the facts do not fit your 'narrative'.....Meanwhile your pal in Israel Netanyahu is gearing up to invade another country, Turkey to spill more blood, in their zionist expansionist Greater Israel plan. https://www.sott.net/article/497120-Netanyahu-committee-says-Israel-must-prepare-for-war-with-Turkey
You say you don't censor Elsa. Did you censor this?
You acknowledged yourself, you knew nothing about the USS Liberty until Candace Owens came along very recently. According to you, Elsa, Candace made such an attention-gaining presentation that she got 4,000,000 viewers. Maybe that "fact" alone might convey to you that you are not remotely in her league.
In my view I'm not stating as a "fact," Elsa, that you have no idea of how ridiculous you look when you relate your version of the USS Liberty story. I'm stating it as my opinion. I'd argue sources and interpretations and all with you if you showed even a glimpse of having a base level of understanding. But you don't. So to me it would be a waste of time trying to reason on the basis of primary and secondary literature and such. Your mind is already made up. All I see so far from you are sound bites you've picked up from Prager U and maybe other evangelists of Israel First Zionism.
You might as well put Reiner in the same category as Pam Barker, Scott McCluskey and I. The four of us I reckon basically agree that what we have been seeing in Gaza is indeed a horrific genocide. Oct. 7 (10/7) has not yet been properly investigated by neutral parties but there is plenty of evidence that the way it has been reported in Israel does not conform very closely to what really happened. Check out Grayzone, Electronic Intifada and Mondoweiss for some of the "facts" that lead me to the conclusions I'm stating. I've written lots on the subject myself.
Netanyahu doesn't want to release the hostages. Some of them know too much. Netanyahu doesn't want a proper investigation to take place concerning 10/7 because he obviously has so much to hide. You could check out my "fact" sets in my own well-documented essays which are not behind a pay wall and easily available just a click away on Substack.
I'm not going to try to bring forward all the evidence to put before you because I do not take you seriously as a public intellectual. Remember, a few days ago you had never even heard of the USS Liberty matter. Why do you think that is? Most people who deal with Israel-Palestine interactions are well aware of the USS Liberty episode which symbolizes the extremes in the US government of the Israel-can-do-no-wrong thesis. Israel soldiers can outright murder US soldiers and the aggression will be covered up by the US leadership. No one is held accountable for the lives lost and the damage done. The US survivors were long instructed by their own government to not say anything about the episode. All kinds of laws and policies were violated by the US government in order to protect Israel.
When have the Armed Forces of Israel and the USA ever been held accountable before 10/7 for the international crimes-- the Nakba-- against Palestinians in the Middle East? Now the ICJ and the ICC have intervened in ways that some see as too abstract and theoretical. The fact remains that neither the UN nor the global community have been able to impose any significant obstacles to stop the mass murders that still continue in the open air prison of Gaza day after day, month after month, and now year after year with no real end in sight.
As I perceive it Elsa, you see the USS Liberty episode as one where the Israel military were justified in committing an act of war on a US Navy ship because the US government was spying on Israel. You put this thesis forward with the conviction you have become an instant expert ready to do intellectual battle with Candace Owens. I imagine Candace is fairly new to the subject too, but she understands the importance of doing homework and not going off half cocked. Moreover she was able to interview a US officer who had lived through the Israeli assault who is, of course, a compelling witness about what really happened. Can you bring forward another eye-witness, Elsa, to back up your version of events?
Reiner Fuellmich, and Pam Barker and Scott Mcclusky are not alone. In fact globally we who see events in Gaza as a genocidal monstrosity, are by far in the majority. On the other hand those who see it as you and your Israel-can-do-no-wrong associates do, control more institutional power.
People like Candace Owens, however, are equalizing the influence of the two camps. A lot of us admire Candace's gumption and the good evidence-based work she is doing quite consistently. I'm quite sure, Elsa, you have no concept of what you can expect when you go up against the power of the Israel Lobby of which you are making yourself a really conspicuous member.
I notice your discussion group includes Dr. Rima Laibow who wants to abolish the entire UN, not just the WHO. I'm wondering if this preoccupation with doing away with the UN at this stage has anything to do with the fact the International Court of Justice and now the International Criminal Court, have both charged the government and leadership of Israel with international crimes.
Both courts have procedures under way looking into Israel's violations of the Genocide Convention and of other international criminal and humanitarian laws. Quote whoever you want, but the fact remains the Genocide Case has been taken on by the UN judiciary. The judges have made their opening moves and the credibly-accused parties have already been charged. But of those charged, none have so far been jailed whereas it is Reiner Fuellmich who is being incarcerated, isolated and tortured. Don't you see the irony?
Did you read the South African government case put before the ICJ arguing that Israel has violated the Genocide Convention? My guess is that you have not read this essential document. That's the kind of commitment you have to show if you want to be taken seriously as a public intellectual making pronouncements on the array of subjects you want to raise.
Because you have done so little homework on the issues you want to pronounce upon, you are indeed made to look more ridiculous than you realize. Sure you have a right to believe whatever you want but others have an equal right to evaluate the quality of your interpretations and conclusions. And some of those evaluating your theories are in a better position to judge. Have you ever heard of peer review?
Call me a "troll" if you want but you might consider seeing me as a messenger trying to give you a reality check at a time when you really need it IMHO. Trying to shoot the messenger is a well known tactic for those trying to avoid the unpleasantness of reckoning with a difficult message. AJ Hall
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fwiw Elsa, readin' the comments (sigh, some more uglies) it seems that they don't git that yer sayin' "help stop this woman from spreadin' this untruth" by informin' her of these other facts. Ye don't mean to silence her or take her off the airwaves but 'ruther... "please let her see my info, let her see this other angle"... That's how I heard yer call...crystal clear. But askin' fer help reachin' someone with new info is now considered "censorship" or anti-1st-amendment (here) an' equated with silencin' that person vs sharin' info with 'em.... (Tho' as I wrote too--I don't think either Candace or Tucker would be receptive...) Anywhoo, many of us have tried to git certain facts to certain folks with a big audience--so far I have not succeeded, but I write my share've letters too! (I totally git yer call-out...some I guess don't?)
shucks Elsa, I so appreciate yer kind comment 'bout the info I "give"--I'm so sorry yer gettin' such ugly stuff from these indi'vichuals who are, indeed, not sharin' facts but are just attackin' ad-hominem without supportin' anything they say but just are repeatin' the Owens "script"--AND I so appreciate yer sharin' yer thoughts w/Reiner. I too liked Elena's letter AND also would differ with any "in yer DNA" comment which was (I think) not so much REALLY intended to be taken as "your DNA is tainted with anti-joo bias" as much as I "think" (cannot speak fer the lady) that it meant that growin' up perhaps surrounded by certain folks with certain biases makes that "culture" reflect those biases. (maybe?)
I personally couldn't postulate why an open-minded thinker forms certain close-minded views... But am I wrong that Viviane Fischer is jooish, no? Is it possible that if this one jooish laydee is the cause of all this strife there's a scenty-mint (however misplaced) against the "people" with whom she's associated? (from all I gather she was a mentally fragile patsy an' was not the mastermind behind the campaign ta ruin him--but sounds like she was not equipped fer the job either--corona committee-wise--she asked few questions...that I'd always seen...)
But too... in a way "covidCon19" has shown the world that we humans can all be "Good Germans"--how many "covidian warriors" (I say this ironically) made SURE their non-injected former friends were banned from healthcare, banned from classes an' worship & other spaces?
I'd say in the US at least only 'bout 15-20% of us said NO & heck no to the tyranny, no ta the jabs, no ta the "health passes," no to masks. That's a small percentage. Sure, the shunnin' of the unjabbed wasn't quite the same as lettin' yer neighbors be murdered, but ACT-chew-ally, it started EXACTLY the same way--the unjabbed were superspreaders, it's really no diff. from the joos said to be "unclean & disease-carryin'" --an' MOST Amercians either went along with it all either with "no particular enthusiasm" or they just rolled up their sleeves an' really "got into it," which I think happened in WWII as well... an' not just the Germans, I think of soldiers bein' xtra brutal because... "they could."
I had friends that were sleeve rollers callin' me, beggin' me & my fam to just "take the shots" an' sayin' that we were awful, puttin' everyone at risk! Our own fam called us "bums" (choosin' unemployment to getting unsafe jabs but yup, meant no income so bums).
HOW is that not like a lesson that showed the world how EASY it was fer humans to comply, to shun their former friends, fam, neighbors--- Now, sure, I spent some time livin' in Berlin so I know that yes, Germans tend ta be very good at linin' up, follerin' rules, bein' polite--as a cultural thing--but that's not DNA. Also, it ain't at all the same as hate--hatin' any people fer that matter. And I do not think Germans are in any way different an' that might scare folks.... the "oh it was them, we wouldn't be like THAT." Until they were. Yup, Americans--a bit messier an' less good at follerin' rules perhaps--still did horribly--horribly!--on the humanitarian plane with this covid-con. IMHO Germans were made to be scared (scared of joos!) just like American were made to "fear the unvaxxed." FEW resisted here-- an' to my shock 'n horror--even fewer New Yawkers! We cheeky folks known ta "talk back." But nope, silence...compliance...even misdirected anger. I was so ashamed of my fellow NewYawkers...
So, a small percentage of "resisters" all over...even small percentage of White Roses (some who died bravely tryin' ta actively fight the system an' paid dearly fer speakin' out...)
So all this ta say that the "banality of evil" spares no nation... anyone can participate. Other nations have done this too... It's not DNA. But it is a tendency we should all learn to resist... kids are not taught to resist, they are taught to comply, to accept, to be "good"--which means...in some cases...evil. Just sayin'....
I do find it interestin' 'bout human nature that so many that were willin' ta question covid-con ask no questions about the "freedom fighters" in the middle east... so it goes...
About Viviane Fischer, I have never heard any suggestion that she is Jewish. There was another Fischer among Riener's accusers - Antonia Fischer. I did not hear any suggestion that she was Jewish either. However, I do not know the religious background of these people.
so.... real name Rike Feurstein, profession hat designer (apparently had some success with a NYC store fer a time, got written up by NYT fashion in the earlier 2000's)--may not be jooish at'all but there are those sayin' she was (for various reasons, not all nice tho' methinks her faith or lack thereof has little ta do with this endeavor...)
https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/mensch-metropole/wie-hutmacherin-rike-feurstein-zur-querdenker-anwaeltin-viviane-fischer-wurde-li.137364
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/03/fashion/03Rike.html
fwiw the name could go either way... here in the US we gotta famous tire company Firestone (christians, given name feuerstein but anglicized ta firestone)...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_S._Firestone
So she may not be (nor Antonia) but given I heard some mean-spirited whispers 'bout dat I thought...mebbe? Again, no way of knowin' but sometimes that can tip a person wronged into a negative association...
ps if she was really a milliner by trade...just curious what connection w/ "covidCON investy-gayshuns...? I mean this stuff ain't my profession either but I wouldn't likely be invited on any kinda committee.... it's weird... so perhaps she was "placed?" again... have zero info on this...but wonderin' as it's ODD ta say the least!
VF's prescence was an anomaly . Her twists away from the point were habitual ,and jarring . (Especially in that First David Martin interview with RF ,and several others . )
Certainly not a patsy - but had RF -concerning VF ANY warning him AT the time,
-re VF?
Reiner was warned by his wife, Inka, that VF's presence was problematic. However, VF was also in (maybe even a co-leader in) the small political party Reiner was involved in. As far as I know, 2 people also would not become part of the Corona Committee due to VF's presence in it.
So that's 3 non trivial warnings .
Beginning to look similar to London Met Police methods of infiltration (late 1990s early 00s ) ,if VF more plant than patsy .
She gets off too easily in every scenario .
Yet ,without her false testimony , some grave doubt remains -as to whether RF would have been incarcerated from Mexico.
The sooner VF is under a real searchlight - the sooner her false testimony becomes perjurous -with a countercharge of corrupting the course of justice ,false incarcertation,etc .
How often do you go to the synagogue of satan, Elsa???
Genocide is genocide. International courts and lawyers have provided the verdict that zionist leaders have committed genocide.
i agree with your thoughts and approach
This message has been an excellent tutorial on how we should all be conducting our conversations--civily and respectfully with a view to learning, not winning. Thank you Elsa.
I like the path Elsa has laid out .
It's surely the opposite of polarisation in the journey towards finding out how many facts have been supressed re Hamas refusing Gazan shelter in 3-500kms of tunnels,surely itself an anti humanitarian act?
I also have an issue with the apparent sniper fire - multiple very accurate killing shots on children and aid workers . Not everything is attributable to hamas themselves ,and 'mistakes'.
There is also the issue of how many Gazan deaths equalls 1200 massacred Israelis?
Ronan Bergmann's 'Rise and Kill First' is a Cambridge phD's view on creating the enemy they most feared ,in its 720 pages . It is a horrifically raw record of ,from israeli inside interviews , something quite beyond self induced 'false flag' events over decades . It also skirts Bibi Netanyahu's orbit from caution to the complete opposite .
58 standing Bibi congress ovations surpasses even Stalin- for foreign exploitation and insincerity.
Hi Elsa,
Karen from Trinidad here. This was an excellent post. The response from Elena Feder could have been mine. There are so many people over the past 5 years I have researched and admired for their fight for truth and against the globalist cabal who have orchestrated all the evil. People like Reiner, David Icke, James Corbett, just to name a few. Thus, I was shocked and appalled to discover when Oct 7th happened that they were such Jew and Israel haters. Especially Reiner. It is difficult to fathom how such intelligent persons could be so hard-core against the Jews. It blows my mind.
Keep going and speak the truth.
Best of regards,
Karen Dowden
I don't see him as so simple as againstJews. But yes, something very wrong going on, from all i am seeing..
Reiner is a brave man, even when he is being unlawfully imprisoned he is not afraid to speak the truth asserting what is taking place in Gaza is genocide. No, that is not because of what he is reading but because that is what is taking place as every human rights organization in the world, two hundred and fifty five of them, are saying the same thing including recently Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International and the most prominent Israeli human rights organization, B'T selem.
Reiner is a well seasoned lawyer familiar with discerning the facts unlike you Elsa, evidently, if you still think that the horrors being perpetrated on Palestinians is self defense.
Dear ,NOTHING is as it seems..its MUCH deeper and isra el is not innocent, not at all. dig deeper . start here: https://rumble.com/v4l4oqw-october-7-was-an-inside-job-documentary-2024.html
Elsa, when your difference of opinion with Reiner looms large, it is liable to cloud the issue of the injustice he suffers.
If it bothers you that Reiner's views differ from yours, then either express your different opinion completely separately from your reporting of Reiner's legal persecution and without reference to him, or if you can't do that, end your affiliation with him.
I saw an interview with the former EU researcher parliment (RO) phD'r who claimed a certain people group had members of 180 years old . To my horror RF acquiesced in silence ,nodding equably - whereas I would have instantly asked for death certificates ,birth certificates and assumed forgery .
At least for the audience's sake - such vaunted credabliity seems bought - especially as EU could'nt drop said researcher fast enough .
So slippery are facts that beggar belief.
It is lucky you can tell us these things or we might be tempted to look at how Reiner's prosecution has been conducted, how his assets have been stolen, how he has been tortured, and even seek his release.
To the charge of indifference - I would not respond- never worth it.
Perhaps you might have a go?
With a view to RF's original indifference on "Viviane Fischer?"
You believe you know what I should do. You believe you know better than me what I should do. We do not share the same understanding of the situation.
You and Reiner are both entitled to your opinions. But He is in prison, and can't express his, publicly and you can. So I have an issue with that. I suggest you express your opinions on Gaza without attaching Reiner to them. Maybe after you succeed in getting him out of prison you can have that discussion. As an American I have my own opinion on the matter, and how it affects my country, and it's standing in the world. It's probably quite different than either of yours.
But again I would say no matter how strongly you feel about another issue (and I respect you for that) attaching it to Reiners case doesn't really advance either cause very much. Either a position on an issue can stand on it's own, or it can't
Reiner's updates are available on other platforms - you can find this one on Roger Bittel's telegram channel, plus they are all usually on ICIC, plus often Streampunk, plus I've posted them on Bitchute and Rumble. If I publish something on my Substack, it matters to me that it does not go against what I have been able to learn. By the way, Reiner, even in prison, has a major platform - especially a number of Telegram channels carry, for instance, his updates.
Redacted just had an interview with a skriver. Hard do believe the guy is lying:
https://youtu.be/cos1l5YeCy8
I think this is the veteran website:
https://ussliberty.org/
( no need to not be friends over this. But USA has done false flags over and over. CIA is a criminal organisation. CIA did Covid also. They have no boundaries what they do so why not sine a american ship )
Just read Whitney Web "One-Nation-Under-Blacmail"
https://www.amazon.com/One-Nation-Under-Blackmail-Intelligence-ebook/dp/B0BJN2CF46/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=398TE2X9JL1L&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.8ToB1_eDDjdWkA93oqyGIq8Is6rrH-zbFbDNeSUTwXh5Y_pgzNXoNI9APCQ8biF82378MKGfMEYNVGcP9GNv4Xcg2jwbYcWJVmRef4lwR_epECR0PBk7TGyXMJ54ICLh3aKetEURLG6CRPzj5-MfYvQW70pF7a6n9A9IVST1VX3-qs7F5U8pNg5PLQcgFRPyB8GHdQhbqrkAX53k2H9-yw.nibDI0vMvTwyfBvVXWYe9nempkyUtP2yTbC5Gxyvadc&dib_tag=se&keywords=one+nation+under+blackmail+vol+1+and+2&qid=1736340461&sprefix=one+nat%2Caps%2C244&sr=8-1
CIA, organized crime, Israel. Just floating seemless together since WWII
I too sent Elsa the same reference to Whitney Webb's excellent 2 volume set One Nation Under Blackmail. I sincerely hope she reads the books as it will open her eyes to the skullduggery long in play by the Israeli regimes.
That there have been many false flag operations does not mean the USS Liberty was one. There is an excellent recent comment from Daisy Moses detailing the confusing situation. I believe it's on Journey 8.
And thank everything you have done to help
No reason not to be friends over this in any case. It's one of the problems in our time psychological manipulation to prevent people speaking their minds.
The survivor made multiple claims in the interview.
-Saw the Israel star on the torpedo boats.
-Israel reconasaince planes beforehand.
-American forces denied permisjon to help.
Agreed: "No reason not to be friends over this in any case. It's one of the problems in our time psychological manipulation to prevent people speaking their minds."
yes, its not black and white if you take the MSM owned by redacted , as your only source! This was exclt but its much much deeper. https://rumble.com/v4l4oqw-october-7-was-an-inside-job-documentary-2024.html
Hey Elsa,
Whatever you think, I just hope you keep on reporting on the case of Reiner Fuellmich. Especially in the early months of his imprisonment you were the only source to consistently report on his well-being. Thanks for that, and keep doing it, since you're a valuable source of information.
One thing about the article I need to get off my chest. Pam Barker is the editor of http://europereloaded.com and you will find you have a lot in common with her. In fact she has republished several of your articles in the past. This one for example: https://www.europereloaded.com/update-reiners-trial-day-28/
As a personal friend and colleague I can only say that Pam Barker is not a troll. However, I do not know mr. Hall, and I'm too ignorant about worldly affairs to draw harsh conclusions about rights and wrongs.
Nor is Prof. Anthony J. Hall or myself a troll...we are 'subscribers' looking to see updates on Reiner etc. But shoot the messenger seems to be a theme with Elsa on subjects such as the USS Liberty, etc she is not knowledgable on.
its never as black and white as the con trolled media would like you to beLIEve: https://rumble.com/v4l4oqw-october-7-was-an-inside-job-documentary-2024.html
Thank you for this comment. This is the first time I really noticed Pam Barker - her quick backing of someone saying I had made myself ridiculous. And then, I fully intend to keep posting about Reiner. As I started by saying: I respect, like, admire Reiner. That has not changed. I can also have differences with Pam without calling her ridiculous. I was a bit taken aback at her backing someone who made a comment lilke Hall's.
Elsa you did call your subscribers, Pam Barker, Prof. Anthony Hall and myself 'trolls', for simply trying to educate you on the facts of the USS Liberty incident as well as the ongoing Gaza debacle. Elsa, you also wanted Elon Musk to censor Candace Owens simply because she has a different point of view than you do, based on much indepth research on her part. Now you wish to 'educate' Reiner on the Gaza matter....ridiculous.
I did not experience anyone trying to educate me. I got name-calling. And note how you end.
We sent you links to many things such as Whitney Webb's 2 volume set 'One Nation Under Blackmail'...etc to 'educate' you. You even acknowledged Webb etc. It seems obvious to myself and Tony Hall whom I just spoke with at length as well as your writings you have some desperate need to get in touch with Reiner over the Gaza issue. Why ??
I am not trying to censor - silence - Candace Owens. I am not for censorship. Anyway, more than 4 million views!!! Where did you get the idea I wanted to censor. Not from anything I wrote. I just would like more visibility for my different viewpoint.
Further, I did not call any of you trolls. I thought it was possible that you were trolls - not because of the difference of outlook, but because of the denigrating tone.
Let us refresh your mind Elsa, re Candace Owens. Why would you attempt to reach out to Tucker Carlson and Elon Musk to "Will this do anything? Who knows. I know that you hit none of the balls you don't swing at. So now: @elonmusk @tuckercarlson PLEASE HELP STOP CANDACE OWENS' UNTRUTHS. HELP WITH THE TRUTH." If that is not an attempt to censor someone, then what is?? What are Candace Owens 'UNTRUTHS" you need Musk/Carlson's help with in stopping?? Is Owens not allowed to express her knowledge and opinions, to 4 million viewers?
Kinda sounds like you are jealous of Owen's audience reach.
Even bringing up the subject its "possible we are trolls", is tantamount to the same thing as calling us trolls. "the denigrating tone"....so because Pam Barker, Anthony Hall and myself factually challenge your limited knowledge on Gaza/ USS Liberty debacles, we have a denigrating tone ?? Get real. We did not denigrate you, we challenged your factual knowledge of these subjects....
One can stop someone speaking. NOT MY INTENTION. One can also get word out about something different. It would be ridiculous to try to stop Owens from speaking. But one can put out a different version of what likely happened - not only mine, by the way. Then people can listen to both. As I wrote: HELP WITH THE TRUTH. Not by squashing anything. Musk isn't known for stopping speech, neither is Carlson.
Then, I remember Hall starting with something like my having made myself ridiculous. Wow. According to you, that is not denigrating. There was no challenge on any factual knowledge.
And with that, I have no more energy for your stuff.
"PLEASE HELP STOP CANDACE OWENS' UNTRUTHS." Elsa sure sounds like you wish to silence Owens, because her version of the facts do not fit your 'narrative'.....Meanwhile your pal in Israel Netanyahu is gearing up to invade another country, Turkey to spill more blood, in their zionist expansionist Greater Israel plan. https://www.sott.net/article/497120-Netanyahu-committee-says-Israel-must-prepare-for-war-with-Turkey
Possibly being used as a way to discredit Reiner from the “inside”.