"there is enormous Jew hatred around and the perception of Jews as evil, often cloaked as being not against Jews but against Zionism or against fake Jews (somehow anyone descended from the Khazarians, though identifying as Jewish for over a thousand years, is classified as a fake Jew). Often venom drips from these responses."
I think it is unfair to ascribe motives and opinions to people that they have not clearly and openly stated. I am sure it is the case that some people do use "dog whistles". On the other hand I think there are very many people who identify issues with Zionism precisely because they do NOT hate all Jews - precisely because they wish to distinguish between a group of people whose behavior they do find objectionable, and all those other members of the group whose behavior is not objectionable.
I have a very good friend who is a black man. I was the best man at his wedding. He is a fine man, kind, courteous, loyal to his friends, hard working, a devoted father etc. He has one particular fault though in that he is inclined to see racism where none exists - quite possibly because he is blasted with propaganda telling him that all white people are racist all day long. And therefore every time he encounters someone who is rude or unhelpful he assumes they are racist. I tease him about this and when I ask him how often he encounters people who are just rude and unhelpful and NOT racist - he will acknowledge that he apparently never encounters such people.
I would suggest, in the same vein, that not everyone who objects to Zionism is "cloaking" hatred of all Jews, or even *hatred* of Zionists. And may I also suggest that it might be better for everyone if you gave people the benefit of the doubt instead of assuming the worst.
I'm not very good at writing this sort of post - the above comes across as condescending and holier than thou - it wasn't meant to, and I'm not sure how to word it better. I mean to be helpful. If I'm not - then please ignore.
I am still trying to figure out what it means to be "Jewish". Since the majority are Khazarians and not from the "tribe", but had a leader who converted to Judaism (Talmud-based, however, not Tora-based like the "original" Jews), it's not about lineage or DNA. But it's not about religion either, since I have friends who consider themselves Jewish, but who are atheists, just like Woody Allen. So what is a "Jew" (a term that I read has only existed for a few hundred years...)?
I don't hold that all people are anti-Jewish if they are against what they call Zionism. I would not generalize like that. I have seen this in many cases, though. By the way, there's much we agree with.
Thanks Elsa for writing this. Like you, I am still learning about the Israel/Gaza situation. I am now realizing that the Palestinians have suffered greatly and that there’s a deep state in Israel too. I believe the October attacks were deliberately orchestrated by Israel so they could finally get rid of their Palestinian problem for good. There is no way possible that Israel with the most secure borders in the world could have accidentally left their border exposed. Someone ordered a stand down so these terrorists could spill in. Was it Netanyahu or Mossad or someone else? Mossad is as corrupt
as our CIA. Israel created Hamas as I’ve recently learned to counter Arafat and the PLO. They’ve also infiltrated Hamas as well. I’m going to watch these videos to learn more. When I think of the heinous attack on October 7 and the Israelis who were raped, tortured and mistreated, I just want to ask that if Israel actually allowed this to happened to their own citizens, how could they be so evil? Many have called the Israeli attack their 911. This parallels our 911 and those who were involved in this inside job and I ask the same question, how could our government be so evil. The globalists control our country as well as Israel.
Elsa, I highly respect you and your substack. I'm just concerned that you're believing that the palestinians actually are native to Israel. Please tell me this isn't the case. They are not. There is a lot of history that many people are choosing not to know. Here are two links to some of the history that is vital to know and understand. "The JEWS are NOT the Indigenous People of the Land of Israel (But then who is?)" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlmC46OnYF4 and "The Jews Never Stole Any Land (But the Arabs did)" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXitQhydpck
I will not read or respond to those who choose to attack me for knowing the truth and expressing it so don't waste your time with me. Instead, learn actual factual history rather then believing the lies coming from those that are haters.
I know the people labelled Palestinians are not native to the area. I learned that long ago. However, the Muslim people who were displaced were displaced, whether they originated from that area or not. So much that has not gotten touched on in that post.
as far as I see it, no individual has anything against colour, religion, people from other countries - it has all been manmade by elitists in order to divide and rule and set groups against groups - they sway us around as they want, they have trained us well with football teams, countries competing in sport, religion, colour, culture, and now added man/woman/trans into the picture to further divide and rule. As I see it, there are only two groups, evil vs good, and we should not be drawn into the divisions that the evil coerce us into fighting.
I don't. No engagement. Often I ban - but yesterday, such a quantity of such responses that I decided to let them stay, for what they said about the people.
Elsa, I appreciate that you promote finding ways to disagree with out “disrespecting” the person. I didn’t find it very respectful that you suggested Reiner is an anti-Semite in a public forum. That term has been so weaponized. But perhaps it was meant to be, since you seemed to gain much from the feedback. I will look forward to going thru the links you sent.
I watched this interview this morning and found it quite revealing.
I did not mean out-front anti-Semitism, but something that is often not even visible to the person - like someone may have reservations against, say, a woman surgeon which they’re not even aware of until faced with that their surgeon is a woman and don’t feel good about it.
Elsa, how mysterious—I woke up from a nap and I was thinking: "Has anybody ever changed their mind on Israel/Gaza? What is it that makes these divisions?" And then I read your piece, which I found very brave. You've dared to look at the machinations behind the facade, the bad theater, the children's fairy tales told and sold by people who play on our best instincts and turn them against us.
Yesterday, I listened to Reiner, and read what you wrote—I didn't understand why you felt Reiner was not thinking straight, but I didn't leap to say anything. I heard Reiner as being consistent. I think it's fascinating when people change their minds. It takes real courage. I hope you can help others who couldn't see it, before. It's not "about" Israel or the Jews. Or WW2 or the Holocaust.
I waited months before posting Tantura, but when I did it was liberating. It's a very human, powerful film. What happened to that Professor is the same as what happened to Reiner. Maybe you could interview the director?
Great suggestion. To interview the director. About "changing my mind." I don't see it that way. I remember my ex criticizing me for "always changing my mind." My answer: I didn't change my mind. I got more different information. Like I didn't change my mind about Aids. I read one of your posts. And Tantura - fantastic - such a very careful caring film. And damning.
Not to change anyone's mind (I won't I'm sure ;-)--but there are just as persuasive arguments on both sides an' many stories--even among Israelis themselves that are far nuanced, not as simple as "Jews murdered all the Arabs and cleared the land for themselves an' lied about it to their own--end of story." IMHO that's about 1/10 th of the story so many see the one film an' go "okay, I git it--that's why it's stolen land, Israel's an apartheid state, they are Arab killers, they need to give back the land to the indigenous Palestinians." That too wouldn't be accurate...
Tantura is a fact and indeedy, the history of Israel was totally whitewashed (misrepresented) to many Israeli "chews"-- YES, the masscre took the lives of approx. 40–200 Palestinian Arab villagers under Israel's Haganah. It is to be denounced. It isn't the the entire story of Israel jus' cuz a jew made the film and believes it is one example that respresents the whole.
Does this one event represent ALL Arabs removed from the territory by force? No. Schwartz's story is true an' it's good he made his film. But he cannot generalize his story to apply to every Arab removed because some did run way because their own leaders DID tell them that Jews were going to murder them (there are radio broadcasts saved that prove this). And of course many in the Arab world are taught from a young age that Jews are murderers so they must be killed (don't ask me--look up Farfour! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrow's_Pioneers ) This didn't start with the advent of teevee either...
FWIW, many who have spoken out like Alon Schwartz have lost their jobs on BOTH sides of this dilemma. Professor Francisco Gil White also lost his job at U Penn as a professor for speaking up "for" Israel--not as a jew (he's not jewish), not as a person who condones any wrongs Mossad or the shadow government have done there--but because strategically if Israel falls we will likely have Iran to contend with. Some will welcome this...already sportin' the headscarves an' "swag."
Also--I know this will not be a popular concept--Israel didn't "steal" land from the "indigenous" Palestinians. It's waaay more complicated. The Crown dubiously returned the mandate territory (Ottoman) to Jewish rule under Rothschild (yes, an evil skunk) with a lot of non-Jewish heads-of-state over him (eg. Balfour) who hated, scorned, an' full-out detested the Joos. Yes, it was not the British's property to "gift." But many who just moved there took the offer an' didn't look back. The British did so as it was strategic, territorial, an' cheaper to let others (Rothchild's) manage their own "colony" an' then the Brits got their airstrips an' footholds there an' a big chunk of the profits. The decision makers were no the Rothschilds--they were just court jews that brokered the deal (an' profited handsomely too)
Those that took over--long before '48 -- did not just go an' massacre all Arabs there--not that some were not brutally displaced or yes, murdered per Tantura, but massacres are not always genocide, murder too is not always genocide. Murder is murder, it's wrong. It does not define the country any more than any European nation is defined by Murder. But murders they too committed--in numbers greater than Israel (ironically). Not to condone--never to condone. But as far as genocide goes, Israel didn't want to murder all Arabs in all places--they wanted to clear the land. Similarly they cleared their own--brutally--from Arab lands that didn't fall under the mandate--many were displaced from their ancestral homes too. It was ugly. But was no nation just as ugly in how they behaved? (don't ask, right?) Again, I don't condone--I "own" (part of history). It's different.
A few hundred thousand Jews were displaced from Arab land at the same time--that's a lot but nobody talks about that--equally brutal to be displaced at gunpoint as was done? Yes. Did Jews massacre their own? Possibly. They did it in 2021 with the clot-shot mandates, they did it on 10/7--but the few leaders that did this were not the average Israeli on the street--nor did every member of the IDF knowingly let alone willingly participate in the murder of their own people, that apart from the brutal carpet-bombing of Gaza. Do Israel's crimes--many fer sure--make it as a state illegitimate? IMO no, to most--yes. Do America's crimes--many fer sure--here and abroad--made this country illegitimate? How about Russia/USSR's? China's? No. Nobody ('cept the far left) is callin' for the destruction of any of these nations--but Israel? Yes--it should not be. So rotten leaders have been 'round since the beginnin' of history in all nations--I believe Israel behaved horribly--but not more-so than others we might hold responsible too. The only way folks justify holdin' Israel to a higher standard is bias... some say justified. I'll let that go... but bias there is.
Few people today will acknowledge that Jews do not typically go and murder Arabs, do not seek 'em out.--Modern Israel is 20% Arab--Arabs hold office there, they fully participate in Israeli life. It's not perfect--but it's decent and has improved over time. Israel has had it's own inequalities--just like the US--some "righted," Israel has been a formal state for a shorter time--so they should git more slack figgerin' out stuff (they dropped socialism for example). Few people today will acknowledge that Jews don't return to Germany an' start killin' Germans post WWII (yeah yeah, I know a lotta folks say that's b/c it was made up...a holohoax, sorry I cain't go there). One one hand the brutality Israel as a nation has undertaken should be denounced--but to paint all the citizens there as occupiers, as thieves, as colonizers (who want to occupy the world after destroyin' it ?!) is a pretty common theory an' that's not really "kosher" (or fair--imho)
Just sayin' that folks are very much inta diggin' in their heels in the sand when it comes to lookin' at Israel an' Jews as a complex people that argue with each other an' do bad AND good. Not only the anti-zionists are good folks as is the current "mindset" (i.e. those that denounce Israel are given a "pass"--those that don't are monsters). Can BBGun be a monster but not the people? IMO, yes.
Also... the anti-zionist Orthodox are really zionists IF zionism is expressed simply as most've us think of it--i.e. Israel is for the "chews"--they just believe that the State of Israel came about prematurely, 'fore the messiah had come.
Inconvenient is that they do say Israel "will be" a Jewish state given to joos WHEN the messiah comes--except for the few nutbar rabbis that support / march with Hamas (Neturei Karta) that's the case. But for now, yes, the ultra Orthodox can be called anti-zionists until such time as they won't be... (sigh) FWIW most Ultra Orthodox (even the Satmars!) denounce the Neturei Karta--an' those that "stand with" Gaza. Also inconvenient... (sigh again)
I'm not defending bad actors anywhere --Israel included--but most folks see this as one dimensional an' watch a few videos 'bout 10/7 or even this one about Tantura an' draw their own generalized conclusions (I TOO think it was an inside job!) and use that to prove a one-sided argument. Instead, imho, it's a multi-faceted prism--with a lotta hate concentrated on BOTH sides an' too little light...
A couple more links, first from The Jerusalem Report's Ilana Rachel Daniel:
Interview pt 1 & 2 w/ Prof Francisco Gil White who (notta chew) LOST HIS JOB as a Prof at U Penn for speakin' up..."for" Israel... that pendulum swings both ways too!
ps a final comment--even at their worst, the IDF does not behead folks. Bomb 'em, shoot 'em, yup--behead? No. That's the noble faith that does that. Folks wanna believe the "alt story" b/c it is the opposite of what the MSM tells ya--but the truth is, ALT mee-dia is also funky--an' (to the surprise of many) lies too... just sayin'!
Listen with both ears open still--even with this new info--cain't caution folks enuf on this--I can see ears closin' in real time... I know what I say won't convince the haters, maybe some on the fence will listen a bit...?
Thank you for all this. Yes: "cannot generalize his story to apply to every Arab removed because some did run way because their own leaders DID tell them that Jews were going to murder them (there are radio broadcasts saved that prove this). And of course many in the Arab world are taught from a young age that Jews are murderers so they must be killed (don't ask me--look up Farfour!" On and on. Brilliant. Excellent. Knowledge-based. I love it. Again, thank you for posting. Maybe I can just repost this in its entirety!!!
Israel has had FOUR armies since the mandate... characterizin' what one rogue militia did--does not tar 'n feather 'em all... here's some info many might not know (?)--
Irgun & Stern Gang--full commando forces, brutal--unofficial, not govt. sanctioned--British tried ta ban 'em--rogue militia...
Haganah--private army, started out as moderate an' practiced "havlaga" (self-restraint) an' honored most tenets of war-- but during WWII when British started limiting Jewish Immigration an' refugees were turned away to be deported back to the camps (this happened a lot!), Haganah took on far more radical tactics and blew up bridges, ships, rail lines (not Arab mind you but British to sabotage their efforts to stop immigration into the future-Israel)--the British triggered there bein' "radicalized" by sendin' already traumatized jews to the camps--to their death--an' Haganah were responsible for the wrongs done at Tantura. Again, they too were private.
IDF--the official Israel Army. There are many good guys in it, some not presented in the MSM who tend to show the worst offenders (those that mock their victims are not the norm...I'm sure some US soldiers have behaved in a similarly shameful manner but that behavior never made the news); most citizens have ta do 2 years of training (not the Orthodox)--and YES there are some who do not act honorably. Most just defend their country--an' many are havin' trouble with what's goin' on in Gaza as we speak.
All this ta say that Israel had had FOUR armies an' it never was a one-dimensional campaign (dealin' with Arab issues or internal ones or with the Brits!)--even among the rogue private armies there was mixed behavior--there were those that did behave honorably vs brutally--an' the early years of the Haganah were just that--later they got ugly. It's still a relatively new country--they've screwed up lots--but can we all cast that first stone? (not sayin' don't--but just sayin' most nations have had armies that did not behave honorably at times)
To wit, in the US army there are good folks that say "stop" or were NOT ok with the atrocities their commanders order them to do--but few are the whistleblowers -- too few---but bless 'em! At the other extreme, the folks that were part of Abu Ghraib who didn't say no were nearly sadistic--an' MANY others who did what they were told knew an' said nuthin'.
'Nuff said--no country has a one-dimensional "all evil" military nor a one-dimensional "all good an' noble" one either. IDF is bein' characterized as a homogeneous "evil dead" army... folks kin do so, but the IDF is not comin' for you / us... jus' sayin'
Agreed. One big thing: this all started because I noted that Reiner's account was one-sided. All about Israeli wrong-doings. I did not see mention of any of the complexities, such as long intrained Islamic anti-Semitism (I know, I've heard daJews held responsible for even that), and on. I like it that you are aware of and acknowledge the complexities.
An' I SO appreciate it Elsa--those of us that don't fully side with river-to-sea have gotten a lotta haters (in comments but also direct mssgs so I had to stop that for all 'cept subscribers) or even (generously speakin') in the kind of insult that tells us we're all "deluded" or denounces all Christian Zionists as fools. Once upon a time, tryin' ta look at "both sides now" (to quote the great Joni song!), was a virtue--now, folks got too wiped out from "the next big thing" so they "trust the experts" with Israel/Hamas... (sigh)--keep on questionin'--mebbe others will come 'round and at least see this as far more complex, not one-sided... I hope so!
I know you're tryin' ta sort thru all the info--and dis info and we're all bein' hornswaggled. The globalists runnin' "parts" of Israel (not all holding positions are corrupt) are the same evil folks as those runnin' the USA--but that doesn't mean that makes the "other side" virtuous, yet folks are cheerin' on Hamas (once FUNDED by Israel, a giant mistake--an arrogant one--but even if this was planned it does not excuse anyone culpable--on either side--that's the part folks don't see--). It's a fine fish kettle fer sure!
Oh re Swan--that 2nd viddeyo 'bout the "botched resecue" with the one guy an' the kid--readin' the teleprompter--imho that's actin'--I don't buy it--both are too polished, clean, rehearsed by half. Batman Shirt? I mean c'mon (maybe that was part of his "take"--just remember the babies tossed outta incubators tale...) So... the scripted "blame the USA" part--my lordy, folks really believe that? SURE the USA is involved--and why? There are reasons not shared with us--not all good, maybe not all bad?
Indeed Israel made itself "indispensable" to the 5 eyes in both good 'n bad ways (spyware, take-outs, ops--milly-terry traninin'...) as a means of self protection--they will not let you "fall" if they need you for certain reasons--if they hold the goods on you (for example Mossad may have assisted with many "take overs" and assasinations--ordered by the US, British, etc). Plus Israel's got the "goods" on all the dark stuff for all nations' leaders (I mean dark stuff!)--so no surprise, even with Biden shovin' money at BOTH SIDES, sure the US was involved in the rescue an' other stuff--likely much stuff--maybe 10/7 too? But Swann's song is just tryin' ta push a literal swan song on Israel to make it go bye bye (like Soros funded shenanigans to eliminate ALL soverign nations--Israel bein' one've 'em--an' yup, Soros has got ties on the "Right" too). Tucker recently made an ODD viddeyo with a Lutheran Minister claimin' chews are goin' hogwild killin' Christians in Gaza... as if Christians are singled out? Jews have no history of murdering Christians--it's quite the opposite! But if they are harborin' soldiers it could happen--I just don't see Israeli's bombing churches--Jews don't burn churches either--so this makes zero sense.
Mebbe the same team pushin' Swann's songs pulled up ta the table in Bib 'n Tucker for their own piece of pie (Tucker, who until now has kept outta the mess, diggin' in...)
YES 100% Israel too has hired performers but Pallywood is real too. Every shot of a cryin' wounded child from Palestine is not real--I have links if needed. An' talk 'bout chopped off heads? Folks believe it wholesale but joos don't chop heads--so that means either it's a lie or "inside job" by Hamas itself (they kin "Hannibal directive too!" Bombs take out entire bodies in random ways--they do not decapitate--like I said, that's one clue of many....
We are ALL bein' sold a bill of goods, both sides, not just one. (sigh)
I DO believe this was Israel's 9/11 false flag--but the rest is a lotta subterfuge. Murder does not equal genocide--not in any way sayin' the way Israel is wagin' this war is "right" but I'm an act-teur! I know squat 'bout war--so my backseat opin'in is not more nor less than that.
All the folks screamin' "genocide" better look to the USA--it's my shame that "in our name" we've killed far more in cold blood than Israel--AND if ya include the color wars we set up--it's waaay more.
I denounce ALL the needless bloodshed but I have no idea what really goes on, what lies we're told. Who had back room deals.
So for now, I say massacre which is not purdy, but I won't use the word genocide b/c except for the true fanatics (who regrettably git a lotta airplay), most ordinary folks there--Israelis both Arab an' Jooish--do not wanna kill all the "Palestinians" (who are no different from other Arabs genetically fwiw). That'd be genocide.
In Israel they wanna git rid of Hamas, not all Palestinians--an' yes, sometimes they are acting ruthlessly b/c the people are put in the way of their efforts an' Israel chooses to solve things in a way that seems perhaps wrong, perhaps cold-blooded--but not really genocidal (even if Vera Sharav--whom I respect greatly, sez so).
No Palestinian in the USA needs to fear Mossad seeking them out an' murderin' them--ditto for Palestinians in any other nation, Europe, etc. Genocidal dictators (BBGun is a murderous one but not genocidal) wanna wipe out their targets EVERY place they live--yes, as in the Holocaust). Many Americans now wanna wipe out every chew--even beyond Israel.. I never thought much about the Middle East until now--if we (we the people) don't git this right, we'll be livin' under Sharia law--it's already "startin' "--
Thanks for all yer postin's Elsa--I hope folks will understand it's not a "black or white" situation...eventually.... before its too late...
Fair response, it's a very emotive subject for obvious reasons. I kept my email response respectful and factual, I'm sorry you caught hatred from some, that's never necessary. The purpose of this journey is to learn and experience, everyday is a school day right. All the best.
Being respectful and - to the best of our ability - factual. Vital. Yes, learning is crucial. I found the venom interesting - something just below the surface, invisible but ready to erupt. No good staying away from what may surface it.
The main problem with the situation with "jew hatred", is the same reason for muslim hatred. The Jews have both the Torah, and the Talmud, the Muslims have those who follow the peaceful path, and those who follow sharia law, and interestingly both the Talmud and Sharia preach hatred, paedophilia, subjugation of other souls, where as the Torah and the Quran both preach love, tolerance and peace, both Islam and judaism have been somewhat hijacked and abused for the ends of those with evil intention, and good souls always get caught up in the crossfire. There is much history to support this on both sides sadly. Mainly I find the problem is with humans, regardless of which invisible sky daddy they believe in, or those who believe in nothing, or worse, greed, avarice and manipulation... Its why I limit my human interaction massively in favour of spending time with animals and nature in general, far better for the soul!!
fwiw, the Talmud does not preach--nor preach hate--it's like Encyclopaedia Britannica for Jewish Scholars--arguments by "wisemen" an' "experts" on every side, right, wrong, good, bad ugly. To be discussed--considered, argued. Nobuddy "follers" it--it's not a bible, it's not the 10 Commandments, it's not a document of hate.
Also, makin' it worse, some mistranslations circulated in the innertubes about murderin' "goyim" and are regrettably wrong. Maimonides tried to make it clear (also the Noahide later "additions" past the 7) but Jews don't wanna kill anyone who is not a Jew--in the USA are men who study the "evil" Talmud--the men in black robes with beards an' tallis'es, goin' out with guns or machetes an' murderin' folks? NO. , Also they don't spit on Churches (Brother Nathanel sez they're taught to do that--it's not so), they don't rape 3 year old babies because it's not a crime or condone it (there are some illuminati satanists who are of jewish heritage--ones with other heritages non-jewish too--who do such horrific things--that is NOT Jewish Talmudic "policy" or Law fergawdsakes; again, Talmud is a book of legal opinions an' the Torah comes first-- It's not an either/or--so much Talmudic law "discussed" contradicts torah--so "thou shall not kill: comes before any arguments about murder...however much they're engaged "in theory" in the Talmud)
Complicated stuff but equatin' Talmud with Sharia law is just jaw-droppin'ly misinformed (with apologies--you have a lotta comp'ny in not understandin' Talmud--I'm sure your intent is good!)
I've read the Quran - and unfortunately it is overwhelmingly not for love, tolerance and peace. Kill Jews wherever you find them. Jews, pigs and apes. The Quran - more Jew-hating than Mein Kampf (Bill Warner went through both). My knowledge is that different religions preach very different things. I'm not a religious-text person myself - but I know enough about Islam to know the texts are not for women's rights, the rights of so-called infidels, etc. I understand the attraction of nature!!!
Maybe then the real problem is religion in general, the bible has as much vitriol in sections, and christians have committed attrocities that make both the Muslims and jews look like a tea party... who knows. All the best Elsa, be well 🙏
That is indeed very true, Buddhism is as near to my own raison d'etre as any come, do no harm, take no sh1t 😏 , if we had to have just one global religion, Buddhism would be it. But Buddhism (to my mind) is far less a religion than it is a guide to living in harmony, I'm just not big on man made constructs being touted as the word of some divine and omnipotent being, when all of them are patently the words of men who sought to lead other souls, even the badge of "spiritual" has been hijacked by mentally ill californians now, everything is bastardised sadly, then commercialised, again the work of humans, not a deity.
Is there Intelligent design in this world, absolutely, the evidence for this is everywhere in nature, biology, mathematics, it's unarguably evident, the double slit experiment with light shows we live in some form of sentient "reality" one that understands when its being observed, a "reality" built on frequency yet jailed by 5 very basic senses, is the architect/designer a man on a cloud with a beard who wants to send you to hell forever, because he loves you..... I feel somehow, not?!
We all have our views of course, and I'm not so arrogant as to believe mine is the only real one, or the right one etc.. Humans, fascinating to observe, from a distance.
"there is enormous Jew hatred around and the perception of Jews as evil, often cloaked as being not against Jews but against Zionism or against fake Jews (somehow anyone descended from the Khazarians, though identifying as Jewish for over a thousand years, is classified as a fake Jew). Often venom drips from these responses."
I think it is unfair to ascribe motives and opinions to people that they have not clearly and openly stated. I am sure it is the case that some people do use "dog whistles". On the other hand I think there are very many people who identify issues with Zionism precisely because they do NOT hate all Jews - precisely because they wish to distinguish between a group of people whose behavior they do find objectionable, and all those other members of the group whose behavior is not objectionable.
I have a very good friend who is a black man. I was the best man at his wedding. He is a fine man, kind, courteous, loyal to his friends, hard working, a devoted father etc. He has one particular fault though in that he is inclined to see racism where none exists - quite possibly because he is blasted with propaganda telling him that all white people are racist all day long. And therefore every time he encounters someone who is rude or unhelpful he assumes they are racist. I tease him about this and when I ask him how often he encounters people who are just rude and unhelpful and NOT racist - he will acknowledge that he apparently never encounters such people.
I would suggest, in the same vein, that not everyone who objects to Zionism is "cloaking" hatred of all Jews, or even *hatred* of Zionists. And may I also suggest that it might be better for everyone if you gave people the benefit of the doubt instead of assuming the worst.
I'm not very good at writing this sort of post - the above comes across as condescending and holier than thou - it wasn't meant to, and I'm not sure how to word it better. I mean to be helpful. If I'm not - then please ignore.
I am still trying to figure out what it means to be "Jewish". Since the majority are Khazarians and not from the "tribe", but had a leader who converted to Judaism (Talmud-based, however, not Tora-based like the "original" Jews), it's not about lineage or DNA. But it's not about religion either, since I have friends who consider themselves Jewish, but who are atheists, just like Woody Allen. So what is a "Jew" (a term that I read has only existed for a few hundred years...)?
Good question to explore.
I don't hold that all people are anti-Jewish if they are against what they call Zionism. I would not generalize like that. I have seen this in many cases, though. By the way, there's much we agree with.
Thanks Elsa for writing this. Like you, I am still learning about the Israel/Gaza situation. I am now realizing that the Palestinians have suffered greatly and that there’s a deep state in Israel too. I believe the October attacks were deliberately orchestrated by Israel so they could finally get rid of their Palestinian problem for good. There is no way possible that Israel with the most secure borders in the world could have accidentally left their border exposed. Someone ordered a stand down so these terrorists could spill in. Was it Netanyahu or Mossad or someone else? Mossad is as corrupt
as our CIA. Israel created Hamas as I’ve recently learned to counter Arafat and the PLO. They’ve also infiltrated Hamas as well. I’m going to watch these videos to learn more. When I think of the heinous attack on October 7 and the Israelis who were raped, tortured and mistreated, I just want to ask that if Israel actually allowed this to happened to their own citizens, how could they be so evil? Many have called the Israeli attack their 911. This parallels our 911 and those who were involved in this inside job and I ask the same question, how could our government be so evil. The globalists control our country as well as Israel.
Elsa, I highly respect you and your substack. I'm just concerned that you're believing that the palestinians actually are native to Israel. Please tell me this isn't the case. They are not. There is a lot of history that many people are choosing not to know. Here are two links to some of the history that is vital to know and understand. "The JEWS are NOT the Indigenous People of the Land of Israel (But then who is?)" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlmC46OnYF4 and "The Jews Never Stole Any Land (But the Arabs did)" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXitQhydpck
I will not read or respond to those who choose to attack me for knowing the truth and expressing it so don't waste your time with me. Instead, learn actual factual history rather then believing the lies coming from those that are haters.
I know the people labelled Palestinians are not native to the area. I learned that long ago. However, the Muslim people who were displaced were displaced, whether they originated from that area or not. So much that has not gotten touched on in that post.
An this has what to do with reiner???
Not everything has to relate to Reiner. Plus, as Reiner brought up the issue of what is going on in Gaza, all this relates.
Hmmm...I'm "unauthorized" to watch the Vimeo vid--"How Did It Happen." ?
as far as I see it, no individual has anything against colour, religion, people from other countries - it has all been manmade by elitists in order to divide and rule and set groups against groups - they sway us around as they want, they have trained us well with football teams, countries competing in sport, religion, colour, culture, and now added man/woman/trans into the picture to further divide and rule. As I see it, there are only two groups, evil vs good, and we should not be drawn into the divisions that the evil coerce us into fighting.
Sad, but even amongst your followers, Elsa, there are those who refuse to have a discussion because they do not agree. Don't waste any time on them.
I don't. No engagement. Often I ban - but yesterday, such a quantity of such responses that I decided to let them stay, for what they said about the people.
Elsa, I appreciate that you promote finding ways to disagree with out “disrespecting” the person. I didn’t find it very respectful that you suggested Reiner is an anti-Semite in a public forum. That term has been so weaponized. But perhaps it was meant to be, since you seemed to gain much from the feedback. I will look forward to going thru the links you sent.
I watched this interview this morning and found it quite revealing.
https://www.youtube.com/live/ViTjfgIG4M8?si=HXEUKtM1YHTPqoGO
I did not mean out-front anti-Semitism, but something that is often not even visible to the person - like someone may have reservations against, say, a woman surgeon which they’re not even aware of until faced with that their surgeon is a woman and don’t feel good about it.
Elsa, how mysterious—I woke up from a nap and I was thinking: "Has anybody ever changed their mind on Israel/Gaza? What is it that makes these divisions?" And then I read your piece, which I found very brave. You've dared to look at the machinations behind the facade, the bad theater, the children's fairy tales told and sold by people who play on our best instincts and turn them against us.
Yesterday, I listened to Reiner, and read what you wrote—I didn't understand why you felt Reiner was not thinking straight, but I didn't leap to say anything. I heard Reiner as being consistent. I think it's fascinating when people change their minds. It takes real courage. I hope you can help others who couldn't see it, before. It's not "about" Israel or the Jews. Or WW2 or the Holocaust.
I waited months before posting Tantura, but when I did it was liberating. It's a very human, powerful film. What happened to that Professor is the same as what happened to Reiner. Maybe you could interview the director?
Great suggestion. To interview the director. About "changing my mind." I don't see it that way. I remember my ex criticizing me for "always changing my mind." My answer: I didn't change my mind. I got more different information. Like I didn't change my mind about Aids. I read one of your posts. And Tantura - fantastic - such a very careful caring film. And damning.
Not to change anyone's mind (I won't I'm sure ;-)--but there are just as persuasive arguments on both sides an' many stories--even among Israelis themselves that are far nuanced, not as simple as "Jews murdered all the Arabs and cleared the land for themselves an' lied about it to their own--end of story." IMHO that's about 1/10 th of the story so many see the one film an' go "okay, I git it--that's why it's stolen land, Israel's an apartheid state, they are Arab killers, they need to give back the land to the indigenous Palestinians." That too wouldn't be accurate...
Tantura is a fact and indeedy, the history of Israel was totally whitewashed (misrepresented) to many Israeli "chews"-- YES, the masscre took the lives of approx. 40–200 Palestinian Arab villagers under Israel's Haganah. It is to be denounced. It isn't the the entire story of Israel jus' cuz a jew made the film and believes it is one example that respresents the whole.
Does this one event represent ALL Arabs removed from the territory by force? No. Schwartz's story is true an' it's good he made his film. But he cannot generalize his story to apply to every Arab removed because some did run way because their own leaders DID tell them that Jews were going to murder them (there are radio broadcasts saved that prove this). And of course many in the Arab world are taught from a young age that Jews are murderers so they must be killed (don't ask me--look up Farfour! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrow's_Pioneers ) This didn't start with the advent of teevee either...
FWIW, many who have spoken out like Alon Schwartz have lost their jobs on BOTH sides of this dilemma. Professor Francisco Gil White also lost his job at U Penn as a professor for speaking up "for" Israel--not as a jew (he's not jewish), not as a person who condones any wrongs Mossad or the shadow government have done there--but because strategically if Israel falls we will likely have Iran to contend with. Some will welcome this...already sportin' the headscarves an' "swag."
Also--I know this will not be a popular concept--Israel didn't "steal" land from the "indigenous" Palestinians. It's waaay more complicated. The Crown dubiously returned the mandate territory (Ottoman) to Jewish rule under Rothschild (yes, an evil skunk) with a lot of non-Jewish heads-of-state over him (eg. Balfour) who hated, scorned, an' full-out detested the Joos. Yes, it was not the British's property to "gift." But many who just moved there took the offer an' didn't look back. The British did so as it was strategic, territorial, an' cheaper to let others (Rothchild's) manage their own "colony" an' then the Brits got their airstrips an' footholds there an' a big chunk of the profits. The decision makers were no the Rothschilds--they were just court jews that brokered the deal (an' profited handsomely too)
Those that took over--long before '48 -- did not just go an' massacre all Arabs there--not that some were not brutally displaced or yes, murdered per Tantura, but massacres are not always genocide, murder too is not always genocide. Murder is murder, it's wrong. It does not define the country any more than any European nation is defined by Murder. But murders they too committed--in numbers greater than Israel (ironically). Not to condone--never to condone. But as far as genocide goes, Israel didn't want to murder all Arabs in all places--they wanted to clear the land. Similarly they cleared their own--brutally--from Arab lands that didn't fall under the mandate--many were displaced from their ancestral homes too. It was ugly. But was no nation just as ugly in how they behaved? (don't ask, right?) Again, I don't condone--I "own" (part of history). It's different.
A few hundred thousand Jews were displaced from Arab land at the same time--that's a lot but nobody talks about that--equally brutal to be displaced at gunpoint as was done? Yes. Did Jews massacre their own? Possibly. They did it in 2021 with the clot-shot mandates, they did it on 10/7--but the few leaders that did this were not the average Israeli on the street--nor did every member of the IDF knowingly let alone willingly participate in the murder of their own people, that apart from the brutal carpet-bombing of Gaza. Do Israel's crimes--many fer sure--make it as a state illegitimate? IMO no, to most--yes. Do America's crimes--many fer sure--here and abroad--made this country illegitimate? How about Russia/USSR's? China's? No. Nobody ('cept the far left) is callin' for the destruction of any of these nations--but Israel? Yes--it should not be. So rotten leaders have been 'round since the beginnin' of history in all nations--I believe Israel behaved horribly--but not more-so than others we might hold responsible too. The only way folks justify holdin' Israel to a higher standard is bias... some say justified. I'll let that go... but bias there is.
Few people today will acknowledge that Jews do not typically go and murder Arabs, do not seek 'em out.--Modern Israel is 20% Arab--Arabs hold office there, they fully participate in Israeli life. It's not perfect--but it's decent and has improved over time. Israel has had it's own inequalities--just like the US--some "righted," Israel has been a formal state for a shorter time--so they should git more slack figgerin' out stuff (they dropped socialism for example). Few people today will acknowledge that Jews don't return to Germany an' start killin' Germans post WWII (yeah yeah, I know a lotta folks say that's b/c it was made up...a holohoax, sorry I cain't go there). One one hand the brutality Israel as a nation has undertaken should be denounced--but to paint all the citizens there as occupiers, as thieves, as colonizers (who want to occupy the world after destroyin' it ?!) is a pretty common theory an' that's not really "kosher" (or fair--imho)
Just sayin' that folks are very much inta diggin' in their heels in the sand when it comes to lookin' at Israel an' Jews as a complex people that argue with each other an' do bad AND good. Not only the anti-zionists are good folks as is the current "mindset" (i.e. those that denounce Israel are given a "pass"--those that don't are monsters). Can BBGun be a monster but not the people? IMO, yes.
Also... the anti-zionist Orthodox are really zionists IF zionism is expressed simply as most've us think of it--i.e. Israel is for the "chews"--they just believe that the State of Israel came about prematurely, 'fore the messiah had come.
Inconvenient is that they do say Israel "will be" a Jewish state given to joos WHEN the messiah comes--except for the few nutbar rabbis that support / march with Hamas (Neturei Karta) that's the case. But for now, yes, the ultra Orthodox can be called anti-zionists until such time as they won't be... (sigh) FWIW most Ultra Orthodox (even the Satmars!) denounce the Neturei Karta--an' those that "stand with" Gaza. Also inconvenient... (sigh again)
I'm not defending bad actors anywhere --Israel included--but most folks see this as one dimensional an' watch a few videos 'bout 10/7 or even this one about Tantura an' draw their own generalized conclusions (I TOO think it was an inside job!) and use that to prove a one-sided argument. Instead, imho, it's a multi-faceted prism--with a lotta hate concentrated on BOTH sides an' too little light...
A couple more links, first from The Jerusalem Report's Ilana Rachel Daniel:
Interview with Robert Spencer (not a joo)
https://ilanaracheldaniel120.substack.com/p/the-common-denominator-17-jihad-the
Interview pt 1 & 2 w/ Prof Francisco Gil White who (notta chew) LOST HIS JOB as a Prof at U Penn for speakin' up..."for" Israel... that pendulum swings both ways too!
https://ilanaracheldaniel120.substack.com/p/the-common-denominator-episode-5
https://ilanaracheldaniel120.substack.com/p/the-common-denominator-episode-6
ps a final comment--even at their worst, the IDF does not behead folks. Bomb 'em, shoot 'em, yup--behead? No. That's the noble faith that does that. Folks wanna believe the "alt story" b/c it is the opposite of what the MSM tells ya--but the truth is, ALT mee-dia is also funky--an' (to the surprise of many) lies too... just sayin'!
Listen with both ears open still--even with this new info--cain't caution folks enuf on this--I can see ears closin' in real time... I know what I say won't convince the haters, maybe some on the fence will listen a bit...?
Thank you for all this. Yes: "cannot generalize his story to apply to every Arab removed because some did run way because their own leaders DID tell them that Jews were going to murder them (there are radio broadcasts saved that prove this). And of course many in the Arab world are taught from a young age that Jews are murderers so they must be killed (don't ask me--look up Farfour!" On and on. Brilliant. Excellent. Knowledge-based. I love it. Again, thank you for posting. Maybe I can just repost this in its entirety!!!
One more thing ta consider:
Israel has had FOUR armies since the mandate... characterizin' what one rogue militia did--does not tar 'n feather 'em all... here's some info many might not know (?)--
Irgun & Stern Gang--full commando forces, brutal--unofficial, not govt. sanctioned--British tried ta ban 'em--rogue militia...
Haganah--private army, started out as moderate an' practiced "havlaga" (self-restraint) an' honored most tenets of war-- but during WWII when British started limiting Jewish Immigration an' refugees were turned away to be deported back to the camps (this happened a lot!), Haganah took on far more radical tactics and blew up bridges, ships, rail lines (not Arab mind you but British to sabotage their efforts to stop immigration into the future-Israel)--the British triggered there bein' "radicalized" by sendin' already traumatized jews to the camps--to their death--an' Haganah were responsible for the wrongs done at Tantura. Again, they too were private.
IDF--the official Israel Army. There are many good guys in it, some not presented in the MSM who tend to show the worst offenders (those that mock their victims are not the norm...I'm sure some US soldiers have behaved in a similarly shameful manner but that behavior never made the news); most citizens have ta do 2 years of training (not the Orthodox)--and YES there are some who do not act honorably. Most just defend their country--an' many are havin' trouble with what's goin' on in Gaza as we speak.
All this ta say that Israel had had FOUR armies an' it never was a one-dimensional campaign (dealin' with Arab issues or internal ones or with the Brits!)--even among the rogue private armies there was mixed behavior--there were those that did behave honorably vs brutally--an' the early years of the Haganah were just that--later they got ugly. It's still a relatively new country--they've screwed up lots--but can we all cast that first stone? (not sayin' don't--but just sayin' most nations have had armies that did not behave honorably at times)
To wit, in the US army there are good folks that say "stop" or were NOT ok with the atrocities their commanders order them to do--but few are the whistleblowers -- too few---but bless 'em! At the other extreme, the folks that were part of Abu Ghraib who didn't say no were nearly sadistic--an' MANY others who did what they were told knew an' said nuthin'.
'Nuff said--no country has a one-dimensional "all evil" military nor a one-dimensional "all good an' noble" one either. IDF is bein' characterized as a homogeneous "evil dead" army... folks kin do so, but the IDF is not comin' for you / us... jus' sayin'
Agreed. One big thing: this all started because I noted that Reiner's account was one-sided. All about Israeli wrong-doings. I did not see mention of any of the complexities, such as long intrained Islamic anti-Semitism (I know, I've heard daJews held responsible for even that), and on. I like it that you are aware of and acknowledge the complexities.
An' I SO appreciate it Elsa--those of us that don't fully side with river-to-sea have gotten a lotta haters (in comments but also direct mssgs so I had to stop that for all 'cept subscribers) or even (generously speakin') in the kind of insult that tells us we're all "deluded" or denounces all Christian Zionists as fools. Once upon a time, tryin' ta look at "both sides now" (to quote the great Joni song!), was a virtue--now, folks got too wiped out from "the next big thing" so they "trust the experts" with Israel/Hamas... (sigh)--keep on questionin'--mebbe others will come 'round and at least see this as far more complex, not one-sided... I hope so!
as ya wish Elsa, thanks fer the props!--
I know you're tryin' ta sort thru all the info--and dis info and we're all bein' hornswaggled. The globalists runnin' "parts" of Israel (not all holding positions are corrupt) are the same evil folks as those runnin' the USA--but that doesn't mean that makes the "other side" virtuous, yet folks are cheerin' on Hamas (once FUNDED by Israel, a giant mistake--an arrogant one--but even if this was planned it does not excuse anyone culpable--on either side--that's the part folks don't see--). It's a fine fish kettle fer sure!
Oh re Swan--that 2nd viddeyo 'bout the "botched resecue" with the one guy an' the kid--readin' the teleprompter--imho that's actin'--I don't buy it--both are too polished, clean, rehearsed by half. Batman Shirt? I mean c'mon (maybe that was part of his "take"--just remember the babies tossed outta incubators tale...) So... the scripted "blame the USA" part--my lordy, folks really believe that? SURE the USA is involved--and why? There are reasons not shared with us--not all good, maybe not all bad?
Indeed Israel made itself "indispensable" to the 5 eyes in both good 'n bad ways (spyware, take-outs, ops--milly-terry traninin'...) as a means of self protection--they will not let you "fall" if they need you for certain reasons--if they hold the goods on you (for example Mossad may have assisted with many "take overs" and assasinations--ordered by the US, British, etc). Plus Israel's got the "goods" on all the dark stuff for all nations' leaders (I mean dark stuff!)--so no surprise, even with Biden shovin' money at BOTH SIDES, sure the US was involved in the rescue an' other stuff--likely much stuff--maybe 10/7 too? But Swann's song is just tryin' ta push a literal swan song on Israel to make it go bye bye (like Soros funded shenanigans to eliminate ALL soverign nations--Israel bein' one've 'em--an' yup, Soros has got ties on the "Right" too). Tucker recently made an ODD viddeyo with a Lutheran Minister claimin' chews are goin' hogwild killin' Christians in Gaza... as if Christians are singled out? Jews have no history of murdering Christians--it's quite the opposite! But if they are harborin' soldiers it could happen--I just don't see Israeli's bombing churches--Jews don't burn churches either--so this makes zero sense.
Mebbe the same team pushin' Swann's songs pulled up ta the table in Bib 'n Tucker for their own piece of pie (Tucker, who until now has kept outta the mess, diggin' in...)
YES 100% Israel too has hired performers but Pallywood is real too. Every shot of a cryin' wounded child from Palestine is not real--I have links if needed. An' talk 'bout chopped off heads? Folks believe it wholesale but joos don't chop heads--so that means either it's a lie or "inside job" by Hamas itself (they kin "Hannibal directive too!" Bombs take out entire bodies in random ways--they do not decapitate--like I said, that's one clue of many....
We are ALL bein' sold a bill of goods, both sides, not just one. (sigh)
I DO believe this was Israel's 9/11 false flag--but the rest is a lotta subterfuge. Murder does not equal genocide--not in any way sayin' the way Israel is wagin' this war is "right" but I'm an act-teur! I know squat 'bout war--so my backseat opin'in is not more nor less than that.
All the folks screamin' "genocide" better look to the USA--it's my shame that "in our name" we've killed far more in cold blood than Israel--AND if ya include the color wars we set up--it's waaay more.
I denounce ALL the needless bloodshed but I have no idea what really goes on, what lies we're told. Who had back room deals.
So for now, I say massacre which is not purdy, but I won't use the word genocide b/c except for the true fanatics (who regrettably git a lotta airplay), most ordinary folks there--Israelis both Arab an' Jooish--do not wanna kill all the "Palestinians" (who are no different from other Arabs genetically fwiw). That'd be genocide.
In Israel they wanna git rid of Hamas, not all Palestinians--an' yes, sometimes they are acting ruthlessly b/c the people are put in the way of their efforts an' Israel chooses to solve things in a way that seems perhaps wrong, perhaps cold-blooded--but not really genocidal (even if Vera Sharav--whom I respect greatly, sez so).
No Palestinian in the USA needs to fear Mossad seeking them out an' murderin' them--ditto for Palestinians in any other nation, Europe, etc. Genocidal dictators (BBGun is a murderous one but not genocidal) wanna wipe out their targets EVERY place they live--yes, as in the Holocaust). Many Americans now wanna wipe out every chew--even beyond Israel.. I never thought much about the Middle East until now--if we (we the people) don't git this right, we'll be livin' under Sharia law--it's already "startin' "--
Thanks for all yer postin's Elsa--I hope folks will understand it's not a "black or white" situation...eventually.... before its too late...
Fair response, it's a very emotive subject for obvious reasons. I kept my email response respectful and factual, I'm sorry you caught hatred from some, that's never necessary. The purpose of this journey is to learn and experience, everyday is a school day right. All the best.
Being respectful and - to the best of our ability - factual. Vital. Yes, learning is crucial. I found the venom interesting - something just below the surface, invisible but ready to erupt. No good staying away from what may surface it.
The main problem with the situation with "jew hatred", is the same reason for muslim hatred. The Jews have both the Torah, and the Talmud, the Muslims have those who follow the peaceful path, and those who follow sharia law, and interestingly both the Talmud and Sharia preach hatred, paedophilia, subjugation of other souls, where as the Torah and the Quran both preach love, tolerance and peace, both Islam and judaism have been somewhat hijacked and abused for the ends of those with evil intention, and good souls always get caught up in the crossfire. There is much history to support this on both sides sadly. Mainly I find the problem is with humans, regardless of which invisible sky daddy they believe in, or those who believe in nothing, or worse, greed, avarice and manipulation... Its why I limit my human interaction massively in favour of spending time with animals and nature in general, far better for the soul!!
fwiw, the Talmud does not preach--nor preach hate--it's like Encyclopaedia Britannica for Jewish Scholars--arguments by "wisemen" an' "experts" on every side, right, wrong, good, bad ugly. To be discussed--considered, argued. Nobuddy "follers" it--it's not a bible, it's not the 10 Commandments, it's not a document of hate.
Also, makin' it worse, some mistranslations circulated in the innertubes about murderin' "goyim" and are regrettably wrong. Maimonides tried to make it clear (also the Noahide later "additions" past the 7) but Jews don't wanna kill anyone who is not a Jew--in the USA are men who study the "evil" Talmud--the men in black robes with beards an' tallis'es, goin' out with guns or machetes an' murderin' folks? NO. , Also they don't spit on Churches (Brother Nathanel sez they're taught to do that--it's not so), they don't rape 3 year old babies because it's not a crime or condone it (there are some illuminati satanists who are of jewish heritage--ones with other heritages non-jewish too--who do such horrific things--that is NOT Jewish Talmudic "policy" or Law fergawdsakes; again, Talmud is a book of legal opinions an' the Torah comes first-- It's not an either/or--so much Talmudic law "discussed" contradicts torah--so "thou shall not kill: comes before any arguments about murder...however much they're engaged "in theory" in the Talmud)
Complicated stuff but equatin' Talmud with Sharia law is just jaw-droppin'ly misinformed (with apologies--you have a lotta comp'ny in not understandin' Talmud--I'm sure your intent is good!)
Clearly you know zero about muhammad and have created a fantasy to suit your needs.
I've read the Quran - and unfortunately it is overwhelmingly not for love, tolerance and peace. Kill Jews wherever you find them. Jews, pigs and apes. The Quran - more Jew-hating than Mein Kampf (Bill Warner went through both). My knowledge is that different religions preach very different things. I'm not a religious-text person myself - but I know enough about Islam to know the texts are not for women's rights, the rights of so-called infidels, etc. I understand the attraction of nature!!!
Maybe then the real problem is religion in general, the bible has as much vitriol in sections, and christians have committed attrocities that make both the Muslims and jews look like a tea party... who knows. All the best Elsa, be well 🙏
I see every religion as different. So Buddhism is very different in its teaching from, say, Judaism Christianity or Islam.
That is indeed very true, Buddhism is as near to my own raison d'etre as any come, do no harm, take no sh1t 😏 , if we had to have just one global religion, Buddhism would be it. But Buddhism (to my mind) is far less a religion than it is a guide to living in harmony, I'm just not big on man made constructs being touted as the word of some divine and omnipotent being, when all of them are patently the words of men who sought to lead other souls, even the badge of "spiritual" has been hijacked by mentally ill californians now, everything is bastardised sadly, then commercialised, again the work of humans, not a deity.
Is there Intelligent design in this world, absolutely, the evidence for this is everywhere in nature, biology, mathematics, it's unarguably evident, the double slit experiment with light shows we live in some form of sentient "reality" one that understands when its being observed, a "reality" built on frequency yet jailed by 5 very basic senses, is the architect/designer a man on a cloud with a beard who wants to send you to hell forever, because he loves you..... I feel somehow, not?!
We all have our views of course, and I'm not so arrogant as to believe mine is the only real one, or the right one etc.. Humans, fascinating to observe, from a distance.