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Many things nay be related,but I think Reiner and Elsa should stick to the case in hand, rather than the distraction of Gaza.

We know there is hatred taught on both sides,and NGOs are often behind protestors.

Student protests are a bit late to be organic.

It was shocking to read a comment here insinuating that genocide was being applied to the side which was perpetrating one.

Whatever the politics, 30,000 have been slaughtered by AI, now documented.

This is a whole new evil level of warfare and we are all in danger of an AI global technocracy.

Reinner's fight sgainst pharma and military technocracy is so important, deep state will do all to keep him silenced, such as the awful quote of threatening his lawyer's daughter. We pray for Reiner but I worry.

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I think Reiner was hoping that a ground swell against the global public-private partnership were underway after all his hard work and sacrifice and now false imprisonment and torture Beria style.

But Radical Islam knows only submission and dhimmitude.

He should stay laser focused on the law and the evidence and his friends and prayer. The case against him seems absurd on its face as reported. Presumably, he has a confidential source in the intelligence community who slipped him the intelligence file on him AND that undo pressure had been applied to the judges.

Seemingly, the case revolves around the question of his authority, intent, and actions to repay the loan the way he had proposed. I have not read evidence to the contrary on this narrow issue only fears, doubts, concerns by the other parties involved??

Then again, these are strange times with a billionaire and former US President being brought up on four ridiculous charges at the same time while the nominee of the Republican party for the 2024 Presidential campaign season.

Stay strong Reiner!

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You are blaming Fuellmich's imprisonment on "Radical Islam"? - Please explain.

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His imprisonment is for going against the global public-private partnership narrative. Radical Islam is responsible for the wars in Gaza.

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The most important part of Reiner's statement is that he believes the court is subject to pressure from the German intelligence services and the judges have already decided to condemn him despite the evidence of criminal conspiracy on the part of his accusers and the German state. I can't say I am surprised by this development, but it is nevertheless disappointing.

The accounts of the court proceedings we have had reported here - thank you, Elsa - supports Reiner's view that the prosecution case is discredited. I have not seen those accounts contradicted.

Presumably there is further defence evidence to come before the court which can only strengthen Reiner's case.

I'm afraid the question whether the student protests in response to the Gaza atrocities are genuinely spontaneous is, for Reiner's case, a distraction.

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According to well-established case law, Reiner is guilty as charged. But I think everything will become much, much clearer once the proceedings are over and when the whole court file will be published.

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Could you explain exactly of what Reiner is guilty as charged and why his defence fails?

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Yes, of course.

In his statements, he admitted everything that the court needs to find him guilty, though one can argue that he did so without noticing.

He admitted he had no intention of paying back the loan he took. That's all the court needs, basically. Also, "hiding money from the state" is not an admissible defense against embezzlement. The dealings about the sale of his house are, again, immaterial to the question of guilty or innocent. This is very well established case law in Germany. As in: it hasn't changed in 90 years.

And due to what he said during questioning and his own statements, he admitted that he acted in mens rea. He should have just said nothing, he could have walked from this.

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Why has he not just paid back the loan early in his imprisonment when the house was sold?

Did he not want to pay the funds back because he and Viviane were doing the work, but not the other 2 and the funds of the committee were going to be shared?

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That was Reiner's clearly stated plan. You have missed a key part of the information. At the sale of the house, the money was illegally deposited, not into Reiner's account, but into the account of Templin.

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Thank you for that clarification.

I must admit I had the impression that he was in the process of paying back the loan and that he was prevented from doing so by the intervention of his accusers.

And I already feared Germany would not care to accept a defence of protecting assets from seizure by the bank or state.

If your analysis is correct it leaves open the question why Reiner and his legal team took the course they did.

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He was, according to everything introduced, PLANNING to pay the money back from selling hid house. However, this intention is what would be called an "unrelated motive", because it only matters if he could have given back the money in the moment he took it. Which makes sense, since he could have changed his mind at any time. Which, apparently, he did.

I agree. It BEGS the question why his defense only catered towards arguments that were either not admissible defenses or immaterial to the law.

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You say, "... it only matters if he could have given back the money in the moment he took it." But that implies 1) there were loans he could have taken legitimately (i.e. if he could repay them immediately on demand); and 2) the actual loan was not of a type he could take in the particular circumstances (presumably as a director or shareholder of the lender).

So perhaps he failed to observe a formal requirement and doing so does not require proof of dishonesty?

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I do not see that the update has only one important aspect. In fact, Reiner himself give major space, close to the start, to the protests which he believes are spontaneous. So he disagrees with you. I see that the full update is important.

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Apart from your attempt to own him, I could agree with you.

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May 1Liked by Elsa

Your perspective is backed by fact and history. The lack of understanding of historic fact has enabled the current Palestinian support in the West. Ironically, we are seeing the fight against true genocide of the Jews (the intent of Hamas) being called genocide against the Palestinians.

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Hamas is an Israeli construct.

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May 2Liked by Elsa

Yes, they did use Hamas to split the vote back in 2007 or 2008. Indeed a dangerous and perhaps ill-conceived decision. That does not excuse Hamas from its clearly genocidal program developments and actions.

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I would say, inherently very dangerous!! and therefore ill-conceived.

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There is much more to it than that. You need to see how it conforms to Islamic ideology. Its origin (even that is not as simple as "Israeli construct) and its current manifestation are 2 different things

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Agreed!!!

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So many around the world appreciate Reiner.

And so many around the world are seeing the genocide of Palestinians.

You say you have gone deeply down the rabbit hole of Islamic ideology and history, as well as the rabbit hole of how the Predators work.

Have you ever dared to go down the rabbit hole of the holy books of Judaism? Have you dived into what is said in The Talmud ... in which everyone but Jews are lesser than Jews. This is a mild way of saying what is actually written in The Talmud.

IF you are willing to see Truth, then take a deep dive into the dark aspects of Jewish teachings, and perhaps you will realize that many Israeli Jews in particular, are unwilling to see past being victims, despite having massacred thousands of Palestinians and 15,000 children whom some Israeli politicians describe as little snakes while living under an Israeli military Occupation.

The world has gotten extremely ugly. Students do not want to live in such an ugly world, and are needing to express their outrage at Israel's actions. Many of these students are Jewish who reject what is being done in their name.

We need to take a deep dive into our own sense of truth and justice. Peace cannot happen without justice.

Please take a look at the Bereaved Parents Circle ... Palestinian and Israeli parents who have lost children to this tragic conflict. They are incredibly courageous ... to meet with each other to realize their common humanity. I hope you do.

https://parentscirclefriends.org/

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Tsiporah Grignon .. We are the same age! :-) this is important because we have witnessed/experienced the same period of time .. and no doubt have similar conclusions. I'm not Jewish .. but I was raised as a Seventh-Day Adventist .. and my appreciation for the whole Bible (not just the new testament) helped me understand and enjoy the Jewish influences I was able to grow with. Sabbath observance and clean foods being a basis for a healthy lifestyle and exalted ideals to strive for. I became a teacher/influencer within my religious system for opening the minds of those around me in regard to the value of Jewish festival/holyday observances. The whole culture is fascinating .. I wanted to learn more so I could share with my friends. It wasn't until after my parents passed .. that I began to question some basic things .. but it mainly started by the definition of the word, "Superstition" .. which means "an unreasonable belief."

After looking around at other religious teachings I was able to identify some ideas within the Catholic Church I totally didn't agree with .. then I was able to apply the same rules for my own beliefs. Once you look at the core beliefs of NT Christianity .. with an honest eye .. it becomes beyond belief why anyone would believe that someone could walk on water, change it into wine, or feed 5,000 adults with a child's lunch and still take up 12 baskets of leftovers .. yet this is taught and believed as a "fact" based in the "faith of a miracle". I now rank it in the same category as Santa Claus and Superman .. and it blows my mind that we have been taught these stories as basic truth with little to no pushback. For a while I had no words .. I didn't know what to say or think .. and I had to relook at everything .. looking for something I could trust. I would say now that the best thing is to learn to read the "Book of Nature" .. it is a living book and three dimensional .. instead of spelling a word like "tree" .. you can walk around it .. and learn about it from different angles.

Shortly after 9/11 happened (Bld 7 .. inside job) .. President Bush and General Powell were working to convince the US that Iraq had WMDs .. and the result was that the US slaughtered a million innocent men, women, and children .. found no WMDs .. and never apologized for their blatant misstep!!

As we know POTUS Bush liked to use the phrase "New World Order" .. but it doesn't matter what you call it .. it is a threat to the sovereignty of other nations .. as displayed in the continuing foolish wars. Why did the US decide it needed to slaughter thousands of Libyans .. and overthrow their government?

While we might agree that politics, religion, etc. have their influence in these wars .. it's at least as important to look at the financial sector and recognize the dangers. I became interested in the Silver market .. watched it almost daily .. so when Obama was in office .. I watched as the price of Silver jumped to almost $50 an ounce. What happened next was revealing .. as soon as Osama Bin Laden was assassinated .. two helicopters and a seal team .. the price of Silver immediately stopped climbing. You can go back to 2011 and see that moment on some Silver price charts .. it was a spike on the line .. that dropped immediately after Bin Laden was taken out. This is because Bin Laden, Kaddafi, Hussain .. etc. were investing heavily in the Euro .. and even tho the "value" of Silver never went up .. the value of the US Petrodollar was tanking .. this is why it took more money to buy the same ounce of Silver .. that was only $13-15 dollars a few years before. It is the US Petrodollar that is in jeopardy even now as the BRICS nations are uniting to undermine the US Petrodollar .. which also means that inflation occurs. This is likely the reason for "investing in the Ukraine war" .. which is money used to buy American Made WMDs .. helping to prop up the value of the Petrodollar.

I have given up on the story of Jesus as anything personally meaningful .. but I also realize that there is also plenty of "Superstition" within Judaism .. as the long hoped for messiah is on some minds. It is such a basic innocence .. that children attending Universities are acutely attuned to the idea of Genocide .. but whether the "genocide" is caused by a lie, a lethal injection, or by exploding American Made Bombs .. it's all still very wrong. How many US military bases are around the world .. compared to any other country .. the US has the most by a long shot. The mission of the Government funded educational system .. HS to College .. is to make kids fit into the cogs of the system .. which has become aware of their own evils and do not want a global war. Protesters from all directions have gathered to peacefully protest these wars .. the Military Industrial Complex .. that is connected to the Stock Exchange .. and to the pockets of politicians. We may be in an all out civil war combined with international wars before it's over. The tension is felt all across the nation .. around the world .. as the media is used to propagandized the public. Santa Claus knows when you are good and when you are bad .. so maybe some people won't have any gifts blessing them under the tree!

Peace ya'll :-)

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Bush's and Powell's murder of a million Iraqis was not a "misstep"; it was purposeful.

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Totally agree .. I was being sarcastic actually!

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Sorry....I see it now: misstep!!

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I have looked at a lot, including the differences. Some of the differences you can find here - in terms of which people will sign the declaration of peaceful intent:

http://westindanger.com/declaration.html

To look at that document:

http://westindanger.com/declaration-of-peaceful-intent.html

This is something that people may be asked to sign. There could be a campaign.

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am glad to see this declaration

All the Abrahamic religions are patriarchal … and yes, there are horrible things in the Koran …

And I think it is important we all remember that WAR is good for weapons makers and politicians who get donations from these companies

The plandemic showed us how powerful the media is … and how we must be vigilant to discern truth … I do hope you look at the Parents Bereaved Circle simply to see that these people are leading the way through compassion

And another place to look is Breaking the Silence, former IDF soldiers who are speaking out about what they were ordered to do while serving in the Israeli military … again, very brave souls who live in Israel where every able bodied person must be in the army and who are willing to speak their truth

Breaking the Silence is an organization of veteran soldiers who have served in the Israeli military since the start of the Second Intifada and have taken it upon themselves to expose the public to the reality of everyday life in the Occupied Territories. We endeavor to stimulate public debate about the price paid for a reality in which young soldiers face a civilian population on a daily basis, and are engaged in the control of that population’s everyday life. Our work aims to bring an end to the occupation. https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/about/organization

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I also hope you will be looking at the Declaration of Peaceful Intent. To date, in the small sample of people, only Muslims had a hard time signing it. People from other religious backgrounds, or from a non-religious background, had none.

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May 1Liked by Elsa

We all love Reiner Fuellmich!!! ❤️I’m praying for him!!!!🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

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May 1Liked by Elsa

The funny part is that all of this lamenting is for naught, as he will be found guilty and go to jail, no matter what. He will also likely face additional charges, soon enough. All he's achieving now is digging himself a much deeper grave.

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He sees the situation and his behavior differently. So do I.

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It is, however, immaterial how him or you evaluate the situation. All that matters is what the court will rule. So far, their rulings are in line with relevant case law, and it's astonishing, to sax the least, how neither him nor his defense have presented any arguments against this. Does his defender want him to receive a severe penalty? It almost seems like it!

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If you have a message about what you believe would be a more effective line of defense, let me know and I will pass it on.

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I think it's a tad bit late for that. The foundation would have had to be established at the beginning and during the trial as things developed. His defender had almost no knowledge about the court file. Reiner himself incriminated himself further and further by his own line of questioning, and none of his defenders intervened. Inadvertently, he admitted to his wrongdoings in his statements. Or, let's say, his statements could be interpreted as an admission of guilt. That's why, despite all of his lamenting for it to be otherwise, he is still on remand, and gave the court more than enough material to work with.

He admitted that he had no intent of paying the money back. That's all the court needed for finding him guilty, and his defender did not intervene. Are you sure that she acted in his best interest? Because I'm starting to have serious doubts about that.

To me, it seems like nobody on his side studied the relevant case law, and built a defense around it. Instead, it was just witness-badgering and asking questions completely immaterial to the case.

If Reiner goes to jail, he will do so in huge part for his completely amateurish defense. Why didn't he get a proper criminal defender, and instead a woman whom primarily does family's law? There was no rhyme or reason in the defense, just complaining about his arrest (immaterial to questions of guilty or innocent), claiming he was justified in taking the money to "hide it from the state" (which is not an admissible defense, plain and simple), personally attacking witnesses (their medical history bears no indication towards their credibility, which is something you should know as a defender), looping around the circumstances of his house sale (again, immaterial to whether he's guilty or innocent, which a criminal defender should know by studying the relevant case law), the list goes on and on.

Reiner himself isn't a criminal defender, so he would have needed proper counseling. However, if a witness has better knowledgy of the case file than the defender, it's a really, really bad sign.

Could it be that he was also set up by deliberate improper defense?

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You state rather carelessly, "He admitted that he had no intent of paying the money back."

Which "money" are you referring to? There are different monetary sums at play here. for example: sums related to Coronavirus Committee email response work performed by his legal office staff, and the sum borrowed against his German residence.

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He admitted he had no intention to pay back the committee multiple times during court hearings and in mails that had emerged. Or, at least his statements could be interpreted this way. That's why I'm so critical about his defense.

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Samuel Clemens .. it's difficult for me to take you seriously. You make claims that you do not have actual evidence for .. which is evidence of your own lack of integrity. You are a "troubler" .. not interested in "justice" .. instead you are defending the actions of liars, thieves, and murderers.

If you wish to reclaim your wool coat .. provide the links for your claims.

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Yes, time waster.

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You say: He admitted that he had no intent of paying the money back.

THIS IS FALSE HE HAS OVER AND OVER, ASSERTED HE HAD EVERY INTENTION OF PAYING BACK. KUHN HAS STATED THE SAME.

You are ignoring almost everything - like tthe huge evidence hat the whole thing is political.

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He LITERALLY said that in court. I was there. I am not saying he had not intention, but he - most likely inadvertently - admitted he had not intention. That's why I'm criticizing his defense. He is guilty under the law.

Besides, under German law, it is immaterial if he intended to pay back the money. That's the case law, there is no disputing that.

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