There are vidoes on the internet which purportedly show the Israeli supporters earlier in the evening marching through Amsterdam singing a song where the lyrics are said to be "there are no more schools in Gaza because the children are all dead. Kill all the Arabs" (I'm paraphrasing a bit because I don't want to dig around and find the video again - it's just depressing).
This might of course be total nonsense. I can't make out what they are singing myself because (a) it's a football chant - I can't even usually make these out when they are in English, and (b) it's not in English.
Since this is the internet it is entirely possible they are singing something else, and it is also possible that the whole video is some AI fake thing. Unfortunately it is also possible that the claims are true.
To be honest I don't know - I'm sick of it all. I don't think anyone should kill anyone else except in self defense :-(.
I understand you are sick of it. I believe it is vital to get at the truth - and also to be ethical. SO I agree with: "I don't think anyone should kill anyone else except in self defense :-(." That was my point, over and over, in my post. There has been huge violence to many people. with nothing violent given as the "justification." People need to learn to think. It is hard to reach deep-down haters, but many other people just swallow the propaganda without thinking.
Whom ever is stirring the trouble, I have no doubt is hoping to kill as many birds with one stone as possible, both the Jews and the Moslems! Fiery people are almost bound to fight each other if riled up enough, especially if they are young and male; if they have no self control, so attack their females and you're a for away. Which is exactly what the powers that should not be are aiming at, and people fall for that same old trick over and again, it's tragic!
Taking the notious Pam Geller as a serious on anything, but especially a subject such as this one, does not do you credit, Elsa. Prager U has clearly made it mark on you. Grow up.
Divide and rule! Agents provocateurs anyone? Keeping us proles at each others' throats while the globalist technocrat predators laugh all the way to the BIS and The Bank of Rothschild's!
Since when is it a 'Jewish' strategy, It's been a world wide 'leaders' strategy for millennia. It is the strategy that psychopaths and control freaks have successfully used and over and over and over. If anyone is still 'taking sides' in these manufactured conflicts they haven't realised what's going on. For thousands of years nasty people have purposely stirred trouble amongst populations of different cultures and religions, to achieve their desired aims.
Which is NOT to say that the Israeli government/zionists are not the trouble makers in this current trouble, they most certainly are, BUT as desired, the trouble they have caused is hurting ordinary people, who do not deserve to be hurt, who do not advocate violence. For goodness sake, we need to see the wood for the trees, or we will all be left up Sh!t Creek without a paddle.
Left wing/Right wing, Trump/ Harris, Jews/Moslems, Black/White, Pro/Anti Abortion... Fight, fight, fight! WAKE UP!!!!!
We need, good food, clean water, clothing, a roof over our heads, good education, the freedom to decide what goes into us, the freedom to move around, the freedom to say what we feel and think without censure. We do not need fear, hate and war.
We need to get this message out to as many as possible,
Rabbi Menachim Mendel Scheerson (the Rebbe) supposedly said, in a 1994 speech shortly before his death: "...First of all, we will divide the Slavic nations (of 300 million, half of them Russians) into the small countries with weak and severed connections. For this, we will use our old method: Divide and conquer. We will try to pit these countries against each other, and suck them into civil wars for the sake of mutual destruction."
Like so many of these things, the speech is now claimed to be faked - but
(a) the newspaper which published it upheld its claims in court
(b) repentant followers of the Rebbe (e.g. Edward Hodos) have stated that the Rebbe did make this speech, and aimed to destroy Ukraine
(c) most of the startegy described in the speech has now been implemented.
So i'm inclined to believe it.
And if the speech is true then "divide and conquer" is indeed a Jewish strategy.
And equally yes - I agree that others have also used it. But these Frankist/Satanist Jews seem to be the current masters of the art.
You do not establish who used this strategy first. His speech was in 1994 - but divide and conquer goes back much further. It was used n Canada decades before that. Anyone reading this: please note that Horace comes to conclusions not validated by his evidence.
Sorry - obviously wasn't clear. I agree entirely that the strategy is not *exclusively* Jewish, and didn't originate with Jews.
However they (the Frankist/Satanist "Jewish" cabal) are, IMO, the current ruling power and are therefore the ones deploying it today. And, per the quote above, describe this strategy as "our" strategy.
I would call them zionists rather than Jews, and I'd add extremist zionists, because there are so many 'zionists' who have good hearts and didn't want war. My great aunts and uncles gave money to the zionists back before WW2 after experiencing the dreadful fear elicited by Kristal Nacht.
Those old relatives just wanted to be left alone to live a normal life, they were keener on being Germans than on their religion; the family had been so grateful for the Prussian empire, where they'd been allowed to simply be ordinary people. Then Hitler came along (another bankster et al, financially backed event).
They had no idea that the zionist movement was anything other than an organisation to give Jewish people safety. They didn't realise that it was just another bankster and control freak effort to gain more power, and profit whilst obtaining that power. Apparently those same powers brought Hamas into being, to counteract the decision Yasar Arafat was taking, I think that was in the 90's (?), he had decided to agree to a two state solution, but zionist factions didn't want this and together with the cia apparently brought Hamas into being, which then took on a life of its own and voila! We have the present situation, profitable to arms dealers, great for potential developers along the Israeli coast if those pesky Moslems are removed. There are oil and natural gas deposits off the Israeli coast... Money, power, money, power! Do I need say more.
Here is an interesting link of The Corbett Report with his well researched info on Hamas.
I agree completely: Divide and rule is not a Jewish or Christian or atheist or Islamic strategy. It's a brilliant easy strategy. Anyone can use it. I disagree that the Israeli government/zionists are the trouble makers in this current trouble. Study Islam, please. In fact, please watch these 2 videos:
My response to that Elsa is there are nasty people in all walks of life, there are nasty belief structures within all religions that are dogma overshadowing the spiritual messages.
I haven't yet watched those two videos, will do so, though I think they'll probably make me sad if not angry too, and I've had so much of that for far too many years and prefer to concentrate on healing, understanding of human nature and solutions/rectifications.❤
Doesn’t this anti semetic garbage ever stop?! I know, as a Jew, the sad answer. Israel is going to rid the world of these terrorist monsters for all of us! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 for the IDF and also President Trump and JD’s safety! Thank you all.
I am so sorry for those people, Elsa. I believe it is wrong to attack them physically, because I do not believe Heaven awaits those poor people, but something 100 times worse than just death or extreme rape.
Most women and children of Gaza will come to Heaven, and most Israeli children too, I am sure...
... but maybe not all s.c. "Muslim" or s.c. "Jewish" violent murderous men?
I suspect the ones attacking or being attacked are probably NOT real "Jews" or real "muslims", but people calling themselves "Jews" and "muslims", but are not. Revelation 3:9, just like we talked about in my post recently.
I hope they will repent and come to Jesus and Heaven. I do not wish hell on anyone, no matter how flawed they might be.
I'm afraid I closed off the Comments section, as I don't want to hear "Jews are creeps," "Arabs are creeps," etc. Definitely need to get beyond that. Yay!
'Tis most unfortunate and terrifying that there is an organized criminal element (some call the 'Khazar-mafia') who regularly use the Jews as a shield, while shouting (via the media they own and control)"Anti-Semitism!" The gas-lighting inversions are astonishing to behold due to the regularity and predictability of a deep state playbook. If We the People of Earth could activate a legitimate Tribunal for Justice, we could prosecute the evil-doers who thrive on war-death-and corruption. The radical neo cons in the Israel govt have much to atone for.
I see that the mainstream media and the universities encourage the pro-Palestinian false narrative. Plus there is also Islamic Jew-hatred that is inherent in the Quran, which has more Jew-hatred than Hitler's Mein Kampf.
Could well be true when one considers that it was an arch zionist and bankster , Rothschild, who together with help from the UK 'upper class', brought about the existence of 'Israel for the Jews'.
The banking Rothschilds are not Jews, (even though some of that family started off as Jews). The 'sins' of the forefathers are most certainly visited upon their children... they pass on the rotten attitudes!
There are others, completely innocent of evil doing who also bear the name.
This is so distorted, it's impossible to comment. It's what you get with Geller. Try this, but look inside at the tweets and evidence, plus the Daily mail piece. Even Zionist-fond media are saying the Israeli fans stirred up the shit first, attacking Palestinian flags and taxi drivers. And it wasn't their first rodeo - it's happened in other cities. And Israeli military members were among the fans. C'mon, stop driving the 'pogrom' drivel. It's nuts. https://www.europereloaded.com/israeli-football-fans-provoke-locals-in-amsterdam-get-blowback/
It must be very hard for relatives of those who personally experienced pogroms in the not so distant past, for them not to feel frightened...the whole history of ordinary Jews is filled with fear all because the Roman Catholic Church blamed the Jews with killing Jesus...How on earth can one blame a whole people for anything, except maybe being asleep at the wheel of life, when it's always the rulers who make the decisions and then push 'their' people in certain directions and there are always individuals or small groups within those peoples who CAN be relied on to cause trouble. I'm sure you're right there were elements from either Mosad or the IDF amongst the fans...'agents provocateures'. Useful fools.
You skipped the part where these Zionists terrorized taxi drivers, sang racist chants about all the dead children in Gaza and ripped down Palestinian flags. You’re no better than corporate owned media lying to cover up the actions of neo-Nazi Zionists in Palestine, Lebanon and everywhere they travel to.
Hi KT McD, in addition to what you stated, they also didn't respect the 1 minute silence asked in the stadium for the 200 plus people who died in the floods in Valencia, Spain. They ignored it and carried on cheering.
(I'm also just reporting what I've read here in France, and not commenting. And I'm neither Jewish nor Arab, for the record).
I was not aware of "the part where these Zionists terrorized taxi drivers, sang racist chants about all the dead children in Gaza and ripped down Palestinian flags." The conclusion you come to does not follow. Likely it suits you to believe that.
My core point: I am for calm discussion. That is, in large part, not what I have been hearing here. And then ...
Ok, I've been looking at the links that were sent, especially at the videos. I have now seen people labelled hooligans (that seems, to me, an appropriate term) take down a Palestinian flag. I have also, in the past, seen loads of Israeli flags taken down, sometimes ripped out of the hands of people carrying them, and in some cases burned.
Note that there has never, to the best of my knowledge, been a mob of Jews that responded by beating up pro-Palestinians. (I might be missing information.) And now, from what I have read, people (all Jews) have been run down by cars and 6 are missing.
Note: I have not read anything of pro-Palestinians being missing.
Next point: It's not wise behavior, especially after a sports match, to tear down a Palestinian flag. But it is NOT VIOLENT.
About hooligan behavior. I have seen (in news reports) a lot of bad behavior after games and matches. This has never before, to the best of my knowledge, been taken as a valid reason to beat up, not only those taking part in the behavior, but anyone from their religion.
Another note: All the comments I have read see the action of taking down the flag as meaning that the blame/responsibility for the VIOLENCE is entirely on the Israelis, not on the perpetrators.
Yet another note. The violence by the pro-Palestinians was not limited to the hooligans, and not even to Israelis, but to anyone who was identified as Jewish.
Then, yet another note, I have seen - and I believe we have all seen - many posters of the hostages from the October 7 attack torn down by pro-Palestinians. It is way worse, according to me, to tear down a photo of a hostage than to tear down a flag. I have not come across accounts of pro-Palestinians brutally attacked and killed in response to their tearing down these pictures. (It may have happened - if so, please let me know.)
An allegation is that the hooligans sang racist lyrics . One translation claims something was sung about the IDF will win, and no schools in Gaza because there are no more children.
If the latter line and other similar lines were sung, this is horrible. It is still not a justification for physical attack.
Those against the hooligans could have chanted their own "From the river to the sea" a popular pro-Palestinian chant, which is extremely negative about Israel, as it is about getting rid of Israel entirely.
Anyway I need a translation. A video I saw shows the singing but I don't speak Hebrew.
Then does someone have a link to a video of the taxi being trashed and the driver being beaten up. I have heard of this happening a number of times, but so far, no video. By the way, such actions are clearly good reason for the arrests of the perpetrators.
I have not read anything of pro-Palestinians being missing.
Anything else? I can see that the piece I quoted is one-sided. Not good when anyone's view is one-sided. I'm glad to get a bigger, more complete, and more complex picture.
thanks muchly Elsa--afraid yer sane cautionary approach re. the event AND yer bravery ta speak up 'll not be rewarded from the "peanut gallery" (no relation ta the poor squirrel...who--this'll git me in hot warter!--evokes far more sympathy than any injured 'er abused joos... fwiw I do NOT think Mossad set things up to have joos killed just fer sympathy but hey... folks have already made up their minds... I'll be in an attic fer the meantime... watchin' such nooze VERRY carefully...)
er, most be hooliganism again?! (how soon folks fergit...)
Maybe genociding tens of thousands of Palestinian children and celebrating that is what makes Israelis abhorred by society and everyone feels that they represent pure evil- they should stay home sadly. That’s what happens when your government and people are considered murderous psychopaths by the rest of humanity. South Africans weee not welcomed when they did that. It’s a normal response.
One: please look up the definition of genocide. You do not seem to have any awareness of the meaning of the word. As for believing Israelis are abhorred because Israel is "genociding tens of thousands of Palestinian children and celebrating that" - you are believing things, rather than that you have asked if what you believe is true. Please watch these 2 videos:
Israel, Iran and the Middle East Proxy Wars Explained - Colonel Richard Kemp
You may come to realize that, as opposed to the Israeli government and people BEING murderous psychopaths, they ARE PORTRAYED AS murderous psychopaths by people intent on having you believe a false narrative for their benefit, nothing to do with truth.
I believe you have not watched the videos of Richard Kemp. No one disputes that children have been killed, nor that you have met Israelis. Here is an important question: if the hostages included your husband, wife, child, mother, father, sister, brother, what would you do? And what would it be right to do? The Israelis have asked, from the start, for the hostages to be returned. Now with Trump elected, he has demanded that the hostages be returned. To date, Hamas has refused to return them. Also, how aware are you of Hamas storing weapons in hospitals and schools, having tunnels coming out under hospitals and schools? Also how aware are you of the warnings Israel is sending to residents of Gaza that an area will be bombed? In general, I suggest you watch the videos.
There are videos of them chanting racists songs, and ripping down flags. Do a quick search, they’re are quite easy to find. I saw both videos this morning. Taxi drivers reported attacks. Your story likely suits what you believe and feeds into the lie that Israelis are victims. You are fomenting more Islamophobia with Zionist propaganda.
One Palestinian flag was torn down. I have not seen any other Palestinian flags taken down. As I have said, I have seen many Israeli flags taken down, burned, etc. Rather than "fomenting more Islamophobia with Zionist propaganda," I am checking for evidence. For instance, please supply evidence of more than one Palestinian flag being torn down. And as I have said, so what if a few people tore down one (or more) Palestinian flags. This is no justification for violence.
What is the bravo about? If someone behaves horribly, that is no justification for violence, including the beating of other people who could not prove they were not Jewish. Non-Muslim people being attacked in Amsterdam were begging not to be beaten. Is that what you are saying bravo to?
There are vidoes on the internet which purportedly show the Israeli supporters earlier in the evening marching through Amsterdam singing a song where the lyrics are said to be "there are no more schools in Gaza because the children are all dead. Kill all the Arabs" (I'm paraphrasing a bit because I don't want to dig around and find the video again - it's just depressing).
This might of course be total nonsense. I can't make out what they are singing myself because (a) it's a football chant - I can't even usually make these out when they are in English, and (b) it's not in English.
Since this is the internet it is entirely possible they are singing something else, and it is also possible that the whole video is some AI fake thing. Unfortunately it is also possible that the claims are true.
To be honest I don't know - I'm sick of it all. I don't think anyone should kill anyone else except in self defense :-(.
I understand you are sick of it. I believe it is vital to get at the truth - and also to be ethical. SO I agree with: "I don't think anyone should kill anyone else except in self defense :-(." That was my point, over and over, in my post. There has been huge violence to many people. with nothing violent given as the "justification." People need to learn to think. It is hard to reach deep-down haters, but many other people just swallow the propaganda without thinking.
Whom ever is stirring the trouble, I have no doubt is hoping to kill as many birds with one stone as possible, both the Jews and the Moslems! Fiery people are almost bound to fight each other if riled up enough, especially if they are young and male; if they have no self control, so attack their females and you're a for away. Which is exactly what the powers that should not be are aiming at, and people fall for that same old trick over and again, it's tragic!
Taking the notious Pam Geller as a serious on anything, but especially a subject such as this one, does not do you credit, Elsa. Prager U has clearly made it mark on you. Grow up.
Divide and rule! Agents provocateurs anyone? Keeping us proles at each others' throats while the globalist technocrat predators laugh all the way to the BIS and The Bank of Rothschild's!
divide and rule is a jewish strategy to keep them safe in their host countries. Apparently the strategy failed in the Netherlands.
Since when is it a 'Jewish' strategy, It's been a world wide 'leaders' strategy for millennia. It is the strategy that psychopaths and control freaks have successfully used and over and over and over. If anyone is still 'taking sides' in these manufactured conflicts they haven't realised what's going on. For thousands of years nasty people have purposely stirred trouble amongst populations of different cultures and religions, to achieve their desired aims.
Which is NOT to say that the Israeli government/zionists are not the trouble makers in this current trouble, they most certainly are, BUT as desired, the trouble they have caused is hurting ordinary people, who do not deserve to be hurt, who do not advocate violence. For goodness sake, we need to see the wood for the trees, or we will all be left up Sh!t Creek without a paddle.
Left wing/Right wing, Trump/ Harris, Jews/Moslems, Black/White, Pro/Anti Abortion... Fight, fight, fight! WAKE UP!!!!!
We need, good food, clean water, clothing, a roof over our heads, good education, the freedom to decide what goes into us, the freedom to move around, the freedom to say what we feel and think without censure. We do not need fear, hate and war.
We need to get this message out to as many as possible,
Rabbi Menachim Mendel Scheerson (the Rebbe) supposedly said, in a 1994 speech shortly before his death: "...First of all, we will divide the Slavic nations (of 300 million, half of them Russians) into the small countries with weak and severed connections. For this, we will use our old method: Divide and conquer. We will try to pit these countries against each other, and suck them into civil wars for the sake of mutual destruction."
Like so many of these things, the speech is now claimed to be faked - but
(a) the newspaper which published it upheld its claims in court
(b) repentant followers of the Rebbe (e.g. Edward Hodos) have stated that the Rebbe did make this speech, and aimed to destroy Ukraine
(c) most of the startegy described in the speech has now been implemented.
So i'm inclined to believe it.
And if the speech is true then "divide and conquer" is indeed a Jewish strategy.
And equally yes - I agree that others have also used it. But these Frankist/Satanist Jews seem to be the current masters of the art.
You do not establish who used this strategy first. His speech was in 1994 - but divide and conquer goes back much further. It was used n Canada decades before that. Anyone reading this: please note that Horace comes to conclusions not validated by his evidence.
Sorry - obviously wasn't clear. I agree entirely that the strategy is not *exclusively* Jewish, and didn't originate with Jews.
However they (the Frankist/Satanist "Jewish" cabal) are, IMO, the current ruling power and are therefore the ones deploying it today. And, per the quote above, describe this strategy as "our" strategy.
I would call them zionists rather than Jews, and I'd add extremist zionists, because there are so many 'zionists' who have good hearts and didn't want war. My great aunts and uncles gave money to the zionists back before WW2 after experiencing the dreadful fear elicited by Kristal Nacht.
Those old relatives just wanted to be left alone to live a normal life, they were keener on being Germans than on their religion; the family had been so grateful for the Prussian empire, where they'd been allowed to simply be ordinary people. Then Hitler came along (another bankster et al, financially backed event).
They had no idea that the zionist movement was anything other than an organisation to give Jewish people safety. They didn't realise that it was just another bankster and control freak effort to gain more power, and profit whilst obtaining that power. Apparently those same powers brought Hamas into being, to counteract the decision Yasar Arafat was taking, I think that was in the 90's (?), he had decided to agree to a two state solution, but zionist factions didn't want this and together with the cia apparently brought Hamas into being, which then took on a life of its own and voila! We have the present situation, profitable to arms dealers, great for potential developers along the Israeli coast if those pesky Moslems are removed. There are oil and natural gas deposits off the Israeli coast... Money, power, money, power! Do I need say more.
Here is an interesting link of The Corbett Report with his well researched info on Hamas.
https://corbettreport.com/the-secret-history-of-hamas/
I agree completely: Divide and rule is not a Jewish or Christian or atheist or Islamic strategy. It's a brilliant easy strategy. Anyone can use it. I disagree that the Israeli government/zionists are the trouble makers in this current trouble. Study Islam, please. In fact, please watch these 2 videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2boUhUINaY
Israel, Iran and the Middle East Proxy Wars Explained - Colonel Richard Kemp.
https://www.prageru.com/video/uks-col-kemp-blames-hamas-for-palestinian-deaths
UK's Col. Kemp Blames Hamas for Palestinian Deaths
My response to that Elsa is there are nasty people in all walks of life, there are nasty belief structures within all religions that are dogma overshadowing the spiritual messages.
I haven't yet watched those two videos, will do so, though I think they'll probably make me sad if not angry too, and I've had so much of that for far too many years and prefer to concentrate on healing, understanding of human nature and solutions/rectifications.❤
Thank you for being willing to look. I appreciated Kemp's knowledge and his conclusions also made sense to me.
That’s exactly it!
Doesn’t this anti semetic garbage ever stop?! I know, as a Jew, the sad answer. Israel is going to rid the world of these terrorist monsters for all of us! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 for the IDF and also President Trump and JD’s safety! Thank you all.
NOT
Just what does an Israel / Hamas dispute have to do with a football match in Amsterdam?
Beating up citizens on the streets of Europe based on events far, far away is not permitted.
Not our values.
Not our way.
I am so sorry for those people, Elsa. I believe it is wrong to attack them physically, because I do not believe Heaven awaits those poor people, but something 100 times worse than just death or extreme rape.
Most women and children of Gaza will come to Heaven, and most Israeli children too, I am sure...
https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/meanwhile-in-israel-8-year-old-vaccine
... but maybe not all s.c. "Muslim" or s.c. "Jewish" violent murderous men?
I suspect the ones attacking or being attacked are probably NOT real "Jews" or real "muslims", but people calling themselves "Jews" and "muslims", but are not. Revelation 3:9, just like we talked about in my post recently.
I hope they will repent and come to Jesus and Heaven. I do not wish hell on anyone, no matter how flawed they might be.
Elsa, Please see my substack this morning:
https://maxwellm.substack.com/p/something-new-for-israel-and-palestine?
I'm afraid I closed off the Comments section, as I don't want to hear "Jews are creeps," "Arabs are creeps," etc. Definitely need to get beyond that. Yay!
I believe we have a lot of disagreements, BUT would talk back and forth - giving reasons for our positions, etc.
'Tis most unfortunate and terrifying that there is an organized criminal element (some call the 'Khazar-mafia') who regularly use the Jews as a shield, while shouting (via the media they own and control)"Anti-Semitism!" The gas-lighting inversions are astonishing to behold due to the regularity and predictability of a deep state playbook. If We the People of Earth could activate a legitimate Tribunal for Justice, we could prosecute the evil-doers who thrive on war-death-and corruption. The radical neo cons in the Israel govt have much to atone for.
So well said
I see that the mainstream media and the universities encourage the pro-Palestinian false narrative. Plus there is also Islamic Jew-hatred that is inherent in the Quran, which has more Jew-hatred than Hitler's Mein Kampf.
They might not all be real "Jews". Revelation 3:9.
Could well be true when one considers that it was an arch zionist and bankster , Rothschild, who together with help from the UK 'upper class', brought about the existence of 'Israel for the Jews'.
The banking Rothschilds are not Jews, (even though some of that family started off as Jews). The 'sins' of the forefathers are most certainly visited upon their children... they pass on the rotten attitudes!
There are others, completely innocent of evil doing who also bear the name.
This is so distorted, it's impossible to comment. It's what you get with Geller. Try this, but look inside at the tweets and evidence, plus the Daily mail piece. Even Zionist-fond media are saying the Israeli fans stirred up the shit first, attacking Palestinian flags and taxi drivers. And it wasn't their first rodeo - it's happened in other cities. And Israeli military members were among the fans. C'mon, stop driving the 'pogrom' drivel. It's nuts. https://www.europereloaded.com/israeli-football-fans-provoke-locals-in-amsterdam-get-blowback/
It must be very hard for relatives of those who personally experienced pogroms in the not so distant past, for them not to feel frightened...the whole history of ordinary Jews is filled with fear all because the Roman Catholic Church blamed the Jews with killing Jesus...How on earth can one blame a whole people for anything, except maybe being asleep at the wheel of life, when it's always the rulers who make the decisions and then push 'their' people in certain directions and there are always individuals or small groups within those peoples who CAN be relied on to cause trouble. I'm sure you're right there were elements from either Mosad or the IDF amongst the fans...'agents provocateures'. Useful fools.
Thank you for this further information. I have looked at it.
You skipped the part where these Zionists terrorized taxi drivers, sang racist chants about all the dead children in Gaza and ripped down Palestinian flags. You’re no better than corporate owned media lying to cover up the actions of neo-Nazi Zionists in Palestine, Lebanon and everywhere they travel to.
Hi KT McD, in addition to what you stated, they also didn't respect the 1 minute silence asked in the stadium for the 200 plus people who died in the floods in Valencia, Spain. They ignored it and carried on cheering.
(I'm also just reporting what I've read here in France, and not commenting. And I'm neither Jewish nor Arab, for the record).
Yes you are correct. Thanks for mentioning that.
And when these thugs just landed back in Israel they continued to sing the chant about there being no children left in Gaza.
I was not aware of "the part where these Zionists terrorized taxi drivers, sang racist chants about all the dead children in Gaza and ripped down Palestinian flags." The conclusion you come to does not follow. Likely it suits you to believe that.
My core point: I am for calm discussion. That is, in large part, not what I have been hearing here. And then ...
Ok, I've been looking at the links that were sent, especially at the videos. I have now seen people labelled hooligans (that seems, to me, an appropriate term) take down a Palestinian flag. I have also, in the past, seen loads of Israeli flags taken down, sometimes ripped out of the hands of people carrying them, and in some cases burned.
Note that there has never, to the best of my knowledge, been a mob of Jews that responded by beating up pro-Palestinians. (I might be missing information.) And now, from what I have read, people (all Jews) have been run down by cars and 6 are missing.
Note: I have not read anything of pro-Palestinians being missing.
Next point: It's not wise behavior, especially after a sports match, to tear down a Palestinian flag. But it is NOT VIOLENT.
About hooligan behavior. I have seen (in news reports) a lot of bad behavior after games and matches. This has never before, to the best of my knowledge, been taken as a valid reason to beat up, not only those taking part in the behavior, but anyone from their religion.
Another note: All the comments I have read see the action of taking down the flag as meaning that the blame/responsibility for the VIOLENCE is entirely on the Israelis, not on the perpetrators.
Yet another note. The violence by the pro-Palestinians was not limited to the hooligans, and not even to Israelis, but to anyone who was identified as Jewish.
Then, yet another note, I have seen - and I believe we have all seen - many posters of the hostages from the October 7 attack torn down by pro-Palestinians. It is way worse, according to me, to tear down a photo of a hostage than to tear down a flag. I have not come across accounts of pro-Palestinians brutally attacked and killed in response to their tearing down these pictures. (It may have happened - if so, please let me know.)
An allegation is that the hooligans sang racist lyrics . One translation claims something was sung about the IDF will win, and no schools in Gaza because there are no more children.
If the latter line and other similar lines were sung, this is horrible. It is still not a justification for physical attack.
Those against the hooligans could have chanted their own "From the river to the sea" a popular pro-Palestinian chant, which is extremely negative about Israel, as it is about getting rid of Israel entirely.
Anyway I need a translation. A video I saw shows the singing but I don't speak Hebrew.
Then does someone have a link to a video of the taxi being trashed and the driver being beaten up. I have heard of this happening a number of times, but so far, no video. By the way, such actions are clearly good reason for the arrests of the perpetrators.
I have not read anything of pro-Palestinians being missing.
Anything else? I can see that the piece I quoted is one-sided. Not good when anyone's view is one-sided. I'm glad to get a bigger, more complete, and more complex picture.
thanks muchly Elsa--afraid yer sane cautionary approach re. the event AND yer bravery ta speak up 'll not be rewarded from the "peanut gallery" (no relation ta the poor squirrel...who--this'll git me in hot warter!--evokes far more sympathy than any injured 'er abused joos... fwiw I do NOT think Mossad set things up to have joos killed just fer sympathy but hey... folks have already made up their minds... I'll be in an attic fer the meantime... watchin' such nooze VERRY carefully...)
er, most be hooliganism again?! (how soon folks fergit...)
https://www.britannica.com/event/Munich-1972-Olympic-Games
Maybe genociding tens of thousands of Palestinian children and celebrating that is what makes Israelis abhorred by society and everyone feels that they represent pure evil- they should stay home sadly. That’s what happens when your government and people are considered murderous psychopaths by the rest of humanity. South Africans weee not welcomed when they did that. It’s a normal response.
One: please look up the definition of genocide. You do not seem to have any awareness of the meaning of the word. As for believing Israelis are abhorred because Israel is "genociding tens of thousands of Palestinian children and celebrating that" - you are believing things, rather than that you have asked if what you believe is true. Please watch these 2 videos:
Israel, Iran and the Middle East Proxy Wars Explained - Colonel Richard Kemp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2boUhUINaY
UK's Col. Kemp Blames Hamas for Palestinian Deaths
https://www.prageru.com/video/uks-col-kemp-blames-hamas-for-palestinian-deaths
You may come to realize that, as opposed to the Israeli government and people BEING murderous psychopaths, they ARE PORTRAYED AS murderous psychopaths by people intent on having you believe a false narrative for their benefit, nothing to do with truth.
Sorry but I’ve seen the footage of the children being bombed to shit and I’ve met Israelis.
I believe you have not watched the videos of Richard Kemp. No one disputes that children have been killed, nor that you have met Israelis. Here is an important question: if the hostages included your husband, wife, child, mother, father, sister, brother, what would you do? And what would it be right to do? The Israelis have asked, from the start, for the hostages to be returned. Now with Trump elected, he has demanded that the hostages be returned. To date, Hamas has refused to return them. Also, how aware are you of Hamas storing weapons in hospitals and schools, having tunnels coming out under hospitals and schools? Also how aware are you of the warnings Israel is sending to residents of Gaza that an area will be bombed? In general, I suggest you watch the videos.
There are videos of them chanting racists songs, and ripping down flags. Do a quick search, they’re are quite easy to find. I saw both videos this morning. Taxi drivers reported attacks. Your story likely suits what you believe and feeds into the lie that Israelis are victims. You are fomenting more Islamophobia with Zionist propaganda.
One Palestinian flag was torn down. I have not seen any other Palestinian flags taken down. As I have said, I have seen many Israeli flags taken down, burned, etc. Rather than "fomenting more Islamophobia with Zionist propaganda," I am checking for evidence. For instance, please supply evidence of more than one Palestinian flag being torn down. And as I have said, so what if a few people tore down one (or more) Palestinian flags. This is no justification for violence.
Bravo! These Israeli 'fans' behaved horribly overall. Just sheer arrogance.
What is the bravo about? If someone behaves horribly, that is no justification for violence, including the beating of other people who could not prove they were not Jewish. Non-Muslim people being attacked in Amsterdam were begging not to be beaten. Is that what you are saying bravo to?