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I'm'a gonna tell ya sumthin' that may surprise you Elsa, you were aware of the dangers of Islam way ahead of most of us... in fact, most joos (at least outside've Islam) to their peril, NEVER larned a THING 'bout Islam!

Growin' up, at temple & at home, we were taught the interfaith mantra that "all religions are good" and that all the Abrahamic faiths were "close" an' "like each other" an' that we should all love one another, period. That was a lie when it came to Islam. Were the chewish leaders complicit in a "cover up" of a dangerous cult or just IGNORANT? (My guess is the latter 'cept mebbe for the Orthodox who might have known better--of this I dunno...I have two good friends who are Orthodox--not ultra tho--an' BOTH seem to have grown up like me...fully unaware!) An' yet, t'day in 2025, many super-schmart decent people--joos too! includin' Naomi Wolf! (who often states this babble in SPITE of speakin' up for women all the time!)--grew up not knowin' that the goal of Islam is to eliminate her/us/anyone NOT Muslim. As yer short viddeyo shows, the lesson/message is fairly simply & clear... if yer not "with them" yer "against them" an' should be destroyed. Yipes! (An' all the variations more complex say the same.... an' YET folks don't know)

I'll bet'cha no skool in the WHOLE entire USA teaches that Islam is a cult.... that mosques are not houses of prayer or "faith" alone but political centers where weapons may be held, where plots kin be "cooked," where geehawd kin be planned.... yeesh!

I WONDER if folks knew about Islam if they'd hate Israel SO much? livin' right next to folks that really wanna murder you--is not understood by most of the whirled. Imagine yer a small family but yer livin' with yer inlaws & gran'parents so all yer generations are there....an' every so often a neighbor pops off one member of yer fambly not b/c you "did something" to them but cuz they hate you for "who you are." That's life in Israel dealin' with the geehawdists as I envision it. I say the whole fambly b/c most Israelis don't have a lotta kids but b/c the nation is so small--folks know each other...an' their relatives. FEW there were not affected by someone they knew personally who wuz murdered durin' 10/7. We don't have the "equivalent" here in the US that's fer sure. I would GUESS that the last time we did, on US soil, was durin' the civil war fer both N & S. From the outside, folks project onto the entire middle east not understandin' that Islam IS an existential threat to (not just) Israel. Many Christians are persecuted there too... An' sadly the threat is "acted upon"--they mean bizness.

I ONLY have come ta understand what Islam is really, post 10/7. Too few know even now! I now wonder if the literal whitewashin' of Islam fer tolerant, empathetic "liberal minded palettes" wuz the GOAL not just a matter of "good taste," general melting-pot mutual appreciation kinda stuff. My ma's in her late 80's now an' tho' she is ('er used ta be 'fore her jabs) aware that in Israel (at least) the "Arabs" are "none too fond of the Jews"--her knowledge stops THERE! (Oh, and she knows Arafat was no hero lol).

I grew up 'round quite a few Arab folks but none were Muslims--they were all Christians & Caledans--the latter bein' Catholic--so it never hit home. They were FINE with us joos... with everybuddy. Funny, it wuz white Catholics who caused me the most troubles in skool (for bein' jooish) EVEN tho' one'a my best friends was Catholic (most were ok 'round joos by the time I was little but I wuz aware that was NOT the case fer a long time due ta Ford, Father Coughlin & others).... so there ya go. Anywayz, I wasn't even told ta have Islam on mah radar...an' I'm NOT alone! This ain't even in the history books! I never knew about Mohammed the Prophet's 9 year old wife either NOR how they treated women...

Lookin' back, we were duped but I don't think it was innocent on the part of those well behind the scenes... yes, teachers, religious leaders (in interfaith good intentions) likely didn't know....but they were "useful idiots" an' we all "et it up." It's ugly stuff, hard ta reckon with--quite sumthin' that you knew so early Elsa... perhaps you can share how you yerself came by this knowledge--was it via Bill Warner? a good teacher? anywhoo grateful fer you coverin' this--surely you'll git sum pushback :-(

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I believe the false info re Islam was intentional - to enable the inflow of huge numbers of West-hating Islamics, to weaken the West. To me this is ultra obvious.

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yes, that part is indeed obvious "now" in retrospect.. but I'm askin' about the implementation of the concept of "The Three Abrahamic Religions are All Similar" so let's embrace our "brothers & sisters"--The "those three faiths are ALIKE" agenda.... sumthin' pushed in houses of faith as well as generically in "skools."

NOW we see the whole endeavor had to be intentional BUT from the start, was the entire "interfaith effort" a sham? (pushed by destructive forces post WWII) .... Or in earnest based on falsehoods an' LATER used...useful ta the current agenda?

Were priests, pastors, rabbis, monks, etc all aware but shamed inta silence? Is Islam even taught in theological seminaries & rabbinical skools (I genuinely dunno) or were these faith-leaders just duped like the rest of us...? (methinks mostly the latter...tho' am' near-sure the Pope knew due ta Jesuits/underminin'....--But I imagine all the well meanin' bleedin' heart liberals that were the main instructors in mah life--religious & otherwise--has no idear...)

So did this start in the 60's or 70's or earlier? (no need ta answer if yer too bizzy--I really was misDirected from childhood on this stuff--I've larned a bunch about a lotta thangs but this was totally not on mah radar prior to 10/7 an' even if I'm feelin' kind've a dummy fer not knowin' this stuff--folks way higher up on food chain with huge platforms STILL dunno....!)

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Re: BUT from the start, was the entire "interfaith effort" a sham?

YES. ABSOLUTELY AND UTTERLY. I was writing about the sham in 2012 - and I was far from the first. My sense is most people were brain-damaged not to hear this.

I did a site, by the way, on ethical interfaith - totally different from the lying stuff you are talking about: https://ethicalinterfaith.com/

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Got it...thx. I don't think most knew this...I'd disagree they were "brain damaged" but brain-warshed inta feelin' this was so? Sure.... One's "good intentions" kin be easily taken advangate OF! We all were told that Islam was just an'nother "good" religion.... an' not bein' among Muslims on a typical day--velly few I recall from childhood--I had no idear this wuz not so... Thanks fer the link Elsa, I'll take a look-see :-)

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How mahvelous you set this up Elsa--I knew ya were lendin' an ear ta those speakers speakin' out against Islam but I didn't know how much you'd done on yer own steam! AN' tho' ya became aware years earlier than many of us (perhaps not many in the ether but at least in mah ken)...sounds like you went thru the same process as most of us jus' wakin' up...

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Am I picking unfairly on Islam?

Quite the contrary. It's taken me years to recognize how greatly Islam differs from the other major world religions. Like many people in the West, I long held the unfounded assumption that Islam and, for instance, Christianity have quite similar ethical stances.

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Yep. I could'a told ya about alt health stuff 20+ years ago, about mah not trustin' 9/11 (funny it bein' the anniversary) ta be the bullshart story we were told... but Islam? not evah on mah radar before...

I'll help ya with one thing Elsa...take it 'er leave it as ya qvestioned it...

Why in the original bible (fer us the Torah) did g-d allow fer animal sacrifices....

So... before the Torah an' ultimately monotheism...there was no law at all. The WORST part wuz sacrificin' human beans--children, adults. People (sad ta say) were purdy wild...some were havin' sex with animals, with their fambly members, rape wuz common, slavery was a "thang," stealin'--lootin'--all manner of outrageously BAD behavior wuther ya read the bible/torah first 5 literally or as allegorical.

So when God (G-d fer joos) came in--I'm'a gonna use "He" fer convenience but even in Judaism there is no gender to the powerful creator who made us in "his" image (pronouns only apply in translation). SO in the FIRST set of laws an' rules which prohibit MUCH (but not all) of the very worst of human behaviors, they were dealin' with pagans who were sacrificin' all the time so they said STOP. One God an' only sacrifice ANIMALS.

You do this ONLY at certain times, in certain ways velly specific so the jooish torah was NOT sayin' "go out an' kill a lotta innocent beasts."

Now Animals were food an' very DEAR an' folks were reluctant ta give up food--so the Torah made the ritual very onerous on purpose...so it was meanin'ful an' not easy--not just a quick thing--to worship one God--it was "stop an' think." EVENTUALLY this all changed an' the practice mostly stopped an' became symbolic. No ritual sacrifice of any animal but a reference--on Pesach we hold up a lamb shank bone--to refer to a lamb that was sacrificed so the joos could be saved from Pharoh. Eggcept for very few ultra orthodox joos that might make an animal sacrifice for a very specific purpose (that Red Heifer thing--which has NEVER before happened--it's just written about) NO joos make animal sacrifices.

Now I dunno if ya know much about Kosher butchery but it's as thoughtful an' mindful as it can be to save the animal pain (vs causin' pain which is a Halal thang) an' joos thank the animal fer givin' up its life an' say a prayer each time over food (if they are "frum" or religious). The life of an animal is taken SERIOUSLY in the bible--hurtin' or stealin' animals is a big crime! It was EVEN in biblical times...an' remained so--even today. (IDF actually SAVE dogs abused in Gaza...long story, it's a thang)

Some'll disagree but I'll say this--Chews (va the 10 Commandments & Torah) brought law inta a lawless world. But it didn't happen overnight--change was gradual so subbin' one god for many, subbin' an animal for many human & child sacrifices, was a HUGE thang. Sacrificin' kids to Moloch was the WORST crime evah so I hate it when folks call us joos baby-sacrificers--the trooth is the oppysit. That was prohibited.

Bizzy now but if you want links re the above since ya wondered 'bout animal sacrifice I can offer the follerin' if you'd like:

1. how jooish animal butchery is as humane as butchery kin be both in method & philosophically altho' traditional (clearly vegetarians ain't gonna buy it no way....) an'

2. how halal butchery is the oppysite

an'

3. how the joos, blamed fer all sorts of stuff--actually brought law INTO The world (vs us all bein' satanists)... an' we've never fergiven fer doin' so...l

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4. how jooish law & halachic rules change and adapt over time--haters bring up sumthin' from 1300 an' say "see, this rabbi said this so you all do this an' believe in it" but nope--unlike dogma in other faiths (not judgin' just sayin') jooish law AND it's interpretation CHANGE over time. Once it might be opined that if you slept with yer neighbors wife you gave up yer farm--today no rabbi or scholar would apply the breach of faith that way--but always, joos are told to "make it right." What that looks like in 2025 ain't the same as it did in 1300....

I have one piece on that too...

Off ta prep sum chow but lmk if this interests ya Elsa, an' if not...no worries at'all... :-)

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I don't believe the world was lawless before the Torah. I believe that's a totally unfounded belief - coming from a a psy-op, in fact. Many groups had many laws. I think of largely vegetarian Hinduism - existing long before Judaism, if I have the dates right. I think of Taoism. I also think of Mediterranean cultures like that of Crete and Catal Huyuk (not sure of spelling) - certainly not lawless. My sense is you are buying into more psy-ops that are part of your religion.

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My understanding of 9/11 is that Judy Wood is correct - that the buildings were turned to dust. I've sent out interviews and links to a presentation by Judy Wood. Also she has a brilliant book: Where Did the Towers Go. Here's what I sent out a few weeks ago: ANDREW JOHNSON on 9/11.

https://truthsummit.substack.com/p/interview-now-available-andrew-johnson